and joining us now, the co-directors of "daughters" angela patten and natalie ray. women talk about this experience that i was able to have with girls in my program in richmond, virginia, girls for change, where they are part of social change projects. thinking about ways that they can tackle issues in their community. and this particular project was about the narrative of black fatherhood. and these girls decided that they needed to really celebrate their fathers by creating a dance of their own. and doing this event planning, they discovered that one of their friends had a father that was incarcerated. and they really wanted him to attend. and when they found out about the criminal justice system that he could not come out, they asked the sheriff in our community, could they come inside and have this special dance that would be rare but would be necessary to connect girls to their fathers in spite of their incarceration. >> two things comes to mind hearing about your film. one s i think people do not understand that when someone goes to jail, their family also does

ray soros spoke with him about that. this is just under an hour. thank you. and nice. angela, thank you so much. yeah, even for. well, mr.. i'll bet that never gets old. no. nice. thank you very much. well, it's great to have with us and as claudine mentioned, one of the stunning things about this book as you go through it is how many of the issues you had to wrestle with are still on our plate today, whether it's the price of oil, shockingly, bailing chrysler again, because we remember the controversy that accompanied it when you had to do it, what's going to happen to the west bank then? it was salt. now it's start iran, afghanis, everything's old, is new again, huh? that's almost. well, the existence of the book at all is kind of interesting to me. and i want to know how your contemporaneous musings at the end of the day, instead of being locked away, future historians could get at it. came out during your lifetime. well, three or four years ago i started reading over some of their diary notes for other purposes. i realized what you've just said that so many of the things that i had to deal were very serious

angela ray, angela rayner going on the news and saying, this is disgusting. need justice for these women. if that's not a promise, then what is it? because i know where come. >> come on, andy. so try and show some more enthusiasm in your defence. >> i struggle with this debate because it. i see both sides of it. i mean, you know. yeah, they were probably mistreated and should have been informed better. but then also, how do you not financially plan your retirement? i look at it from both sides and then also hang on, hang on. >> i've got i've got to stop you. you've got to look at it. no, i've got to stop you here. how do you not plan your retirement? do you know anything? what happens to working class women? yeah, because what happens with working class women, especially what we do is we start work at 16. we have a family. we usually stop working for a bit to bring up our families, and then we go back to work again. we usually have to then start paying extra into the to our ni savings, because we've missed a bit out if we want to get a pension and then we the