angela wolf, director of justice strategies at the national council on crime and delinquency, and clintonmas. he was released from prison in november after spending more than two decades behind bars for his involvement in a gang-related killing. welcome to all of you. thanks so much for being here. very powerful, so many insights. i want to ask each of you, starting with you clinton. what stood out for you? >> the despair and the lack of vision that comes with youth. they seemingly don't see the flip side of the poverty or the deprivation, as the young man said. he felt really deprived growing up. and come from where he comes from as a young person, i had that same lack of vision. but i was able to grow up and see there were people doing positive things, going to school, not hanging out on the corners. that provides one aspect of the drama going on in east oakland. >> are you saying the despair is a result of living there as something that can easily be overcome? or just a human reaction, normal reaction in some ways? >> it's a normal reaction. but the despire is a result of the dysfuncti