well i think in some cases the clue was the angeles times sam chronicle and some other papers i think they just felt will queasy about collective action they have a distinct sense of independence particularly on their editorial pages and they just didn't like the group effort even to privately they may agree with the thrust of it could it be self-defeating i think trump supporters it could the big question is are there folks out there who are in some fashion on the fence about the role of the media in a democracy who might be convinced to be nice to think that way but i also find it very interesting it's probably the same in germany in places like munich or early on there is that disjoint there's a difference between how many people what people think of their local media particularly television presenters and reporters on one hand and what they think of the folks in national media on the whole in a place like chicago or new york or los angeles people are there are television hosts and reporters it's a little bit like when it comes their congressman the people we send the washing we te