how expanding our social services can help police better serve our communities, i'm joined by angelo maclaine, the ceo of the national association of social workers. good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> angelo, how real is this conversation? a whole bunch of people who i suspect don't really know how this works are calling for the intervention of social workers into things we have come to accept are part of policing. is that a reasonable explanation we can begin to change models where somehow social workers get called as a response to certain things that social workers can deal with and police either don't show up or show up in the background where they're not having immediate interaction with whomever the call has been about? >> it is a real, very real possibility. it's a possibility that already does exist. there are social workers who actually have a title of police social worker, and they work in police departments. and they do the things like you say, addressing those social problems. and many social workers who have worked in child welfa