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a group of senators who had been skeptical of changing the rules like angus king from maine, from tim've been working with manchin trying to get to a point where you could change the rules enough to get both the voting rights bill and the help americans vote act to the floor of the senate for a vote. and so i think manchin is critical not only on build back better but in allowing for this rules change. and i think that before we settle build back better we'll have the fight over voting rights. i think there is a better than equal chance voting rights are going to prevail. >> gene, we heard president biden a couple months ago in response to a question about voting rights say, listen. if i tried to change the rules, in effect, is what he said if i tried to change the rules to pass voting rights i would lose two votes, meaning he would lose sinema and manchin. they are so far down the road now on both of these that there is so much more clarity that joe biden it seems and chuck schumer are ready to just come out in the first week in january in the senate and say, okay. this is what we ha

. >> we are going to now turn to senator angus king, who i believe is joining us electronically. >> thank you. glad to be with you. secretary adams, delighted to have you with us. i want to commend you for your comments at the beginning. part of the problem is we have converted political opponents into enemies. everything is a war. and once we go down that road, it is a heated rhetoric. we really need to back off from that. i have sitting next to me a big chart of abraham lincoln's second inaugural, that is where he said "malice toward none and charity for all." if anyone had reason for malice, it was lincoln at the end of the civil war, but he did it. i commend you for that. is voter fraud a problem in kentucky? >> i would maintain it is not currently. it has happened in the past. typically it has occurred in situations where there is a perfect storm. number one, it happens at the local level. it is not occurring at a statewide level or congressional level. it is happening in a small town, or small county, where a few votes can potentially tip a race. number two is generally for a job th

. >> thank you very much, we're going to now turn to senator angus king, i believe is joining us electronically. >> thank you mr. chairman, glad to be with you. secretary adams delighted to have you with us today. first i want to commend you for your comments at the beginning because part of the problem is we've converted political opponents into enemies. and everything is a war. and once we go down that road of the heated rhetoric, we really need to back off from that. i have sitting next to me a big chart of abraham lincoln's second inaugural. where he said with malice towards none and charity for all. if anybody had any reason for malice it was lincoln at the end of the civil war, but he didn't. and i commend you for that. let me ask you a question. is voter fraud a problem in kentucky? >> well i would maintain that it is not currently and though it has happened in the past typically it's occurred in a specific situation where a perfect storm in three ways. one, it happens at a local level. not occurring at a statewide level or congressional level. it is happening a small town or county wher