the nimibians, to start auctioning off, where does it end, we want to offer an auction for an or angutang, where does the poaching work have to be involved with giving the person an opportunity to to shoot one of the rarest animals in the world? they are spending a lot of money but not linking their efforts to the idea of shooting one of the animals. we should be all in to protect the rhino. >> from their point of view, to present it just so their voice is heard in this. look the nimibians have a situation, they clearly need money, this is a very expensive operation for them. what they have offered is a permit to kill an animal who is apparently elderly past reproductive age. if this is something that can bring them some resource that helps the other animals, why not? >> i think a lot of the dallas safari club are older and past their reproductive prime as well. i think it creates an incentive to get out of control. especially when they have a regulatory authority. they have done this with polar bears in canada, led to overkilling of polar bears. what about cheetahs in nimibia? we have a