walls around ourselves and the best divined kinship and beauty in aniks said -- unexpected places. i wonder if it's missing the word love, a very powerful modern it -- motivator. but you get a sense that was something that maybe she never actually experienced in no way? it resonated with her children were in a philosophical pursued. perhaps to have more love you need to be more rigid or find people in different places? beauty and kinship are two things. did he miss out of love? >> guest: what exactly you are talking about, i'm not, you know, it might be helpful if you define a little bit more what you're asking. the use of the term love. >> host: her two marriages and the relationship she had with her children, the separateness, the distance. was there -- often describe a man and not even sure that you would validate this. nematic as her existence. perhaps nematic, perhaps just wondering. in that there was either a search for or maybe a moving away from something that was painful or unrealized. >> guest: i don't think one would ever say that there is a new love in their life. she h