we live in what we call a form of anima craddick -- in a form of -- liberalism. i think one of the many causes of the populist rise is that. the connection is more obvious on the other side. debates i and some others engaged in and some of you were on the other side of that, whether or not idea of democracy about rights is a cohesive concept. i argue it is. if you want to make sense of something like this referendum seven or eight years ago on which a majority of people voted towersaw building [indiscernible] -- if you have a clear majority in favor, voting is democratic is just really confusing. right? so i think that is good democracy, case in which the majority votes. if this form of liberal democracy is very rarely going to be stable, we see this playing out. mike biggest problem -- my certainproblem is not charges he's made and so on, my deepest problem with him is that he has attacked the opinion of hyperion courts. he has deprived the rights of journalists.n he has filed against separation of powers, which is now effectively in control of the electoral sys