and i neede anita dunn. ♪ john: our gues tonight, ben ginsbergt, and anita dunn.k: our guests tonight, ben ginsberg and anita dunn. let's get your assessment on where the presidential campaigns start, then it was to hear you quickly on the republican and democratic side. brad: very fluid -- n: very fluid on the republican side, all of them feeling their way through a different political year. still anyone's race. on the democratic side, god, i love watching it. [laughter] that is kind of the way we democrats are feeling every time we see the republicans on tv. ben and i can share that. on the democratic side, we are about to enter the next period, debates, speeches, a lot more high-level engagement. there are a couple things i'm looking for. one is a september 30 fundraising. we all expect hillary clinton to have done well. the real question is what does bernie sanders look like? i suspect is online fundraising is going to be very impressive, based on everything we have seen so far. two will be that first debate. obviously there is a question of whether there are

when we come back, we'll have anita dunn.we ask anything she doesn't know, she is not going to answer. ♪ john: with the democratic nomination fight getting more and more interesting, mark and i spoke the other day with former white house communications director anita dunn. we asked about her views of hillary clinton's vulnerabilities as a candidate. when we had you on in october, you said she would have two vulnerabilities. one would be economic populist, the other would be on foreign policy. to the extent that she has shown vulnerability in the years since we last had you here, are those the things that made her vulnerable or is her vulnerability elsewhere? anita: part of it is that she has been seen as a preemptive front runner for so long, which was not the reality, but because she was seen as a preemptive front-runner, the entire process has been a referendum on her. she has gotten general election coverage early in the primary season. i think economic populism has turned out to be an area of vulnerability. that is the ro

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. ♪ is thenr guest tonight andberg -- ben ginsberg anita dunn.y getting our basic assessment of where the residential campaign started. and i want to hear what you think quickly on the republican side in democratic side. guest: very fluid on the republican side. all of them feeling their way through a very different political year. still anyone's race i think. side, i lovec logic. guest: i think we can share that emotion there. on the democratic side, we are about to enter the next period of engagement. debates, speeches, more high-level engagement. there are a couple things i'm looking for. one is the september 30 fundraising reports. the real question is what is the bernie sanders look like. the second is his online fundraising will be very impressive. debate.first there are questions about whether there are five or six people. i don't know the answer to that but what are the strategies the candidates bring into that debate can be quite interesting. on the republican side, the assumption that somehow gravity was going to bring some people down

anita dunn met with biden a few weeks ago. good morning. >> thank you for having me on. >> what did you see between the interview between the vice president and stephen colbert? >> i think the vice president's interview with stephen colbert last week was something almost unique in politics. a very private conversation. i think it's fair to say similar to conversations he's been having privately with his friends and supporters, conducted on national television. i mean, that was joe biden that you saw. there was no artificial there. that is him. >> we all said when politicians are so script in sound bites even time they are on this stage, it seems so authentic like a private conversation. >> it really was. i think your poll this morning actually is a great ill straighter i think where the decision is for so many people and the vice president was candid about the fact he hasn't made a decision yet. the poll basically saying it's not clear, right? i think he was -- you know, he was clear with stephen colbert that he is not going t

former communications director anita dunn met him with a few weeks ago.en colbert? >> i think the vice president's interview with stephen colbert was something june noek in politics, a very private conversation. i think it's fair to say, similar to conversations he's had privately with his friends and supported, but conducted on national television. that was joe biden that you saw. there was no artifice there. >> that was our reaction. when politicians are so scripted in sound bites, this seemed so authentic, like a private conversation. >> it really was. i think your poll this morning actually is a great illustrator of where this decision is for so many people, and certainly the vice president was candid about the fact that, you know, he hasn't made a decision yet. the poll basically saying, hey, it's not clear. and i think he was clear with stephen colbert that he's not going to run unless he feels like he's ready to be president. >> you know the politicians, you know joe biden and his friends. what the you think he'll do? >> i know politicians well eno

the support of a public relations firm run by two powerful long-time democrats, hillary rosen and anita dunner initial comment, hillary clinton changed her tune in a professionally produced video. >> republicans like scott walker and jeb bush are calling to de-fund planned parenthood. when they attack women's health, they attack america's health and it's wrong and we're not going to let them get away with it. >> that was a pretty quick pivot. >> it was. i have to wonder if there was -- if -- what kind of discussions might have happened behind the scenes. >> some democrats have even suggested deleiden and the center for medical progress be prosecuted for creating a fake business and recording people without their consent. they have asked two people to look into it. u.s. attorney general loretta lynch and california attorney general camilla harris. yes. the same one who was involved in stopping deleiden's earlier project at live action. neither side was backing down. by late august live action organized protests outside planned parenthood clinics. lila rose said the videos energized the pro li