host: ann callis do, michigan. -- ann callis do, michigan. caller: thank you for having me on this morning. i wanted to say that this is a really difficult situation to try to tackle. our communities are trying to put something positive together for a situation that is as touchy as this. on one hand, i understand the police's predicament. just by the mere fact that a lot of black communities have a heavier police force due to the nature of what goes on to those neighborhoods i understand are the dangers few who may abuse their authority. do you think it would be better to hold police at a more stricter consequence for the mishandling of the situations versus -- it is important that we have to have the police in those neighborhoods. it is a mere fact that we want to keep everybody say. guest: if i can say two things with that. one, ethical policing is not counterintuitive or mutually exclusive. i think committee policing is a requisite foundation of effective crime-fighting. the more the neighborhood is distressed and has crimes, the more you

host: ann callis do, michigan. -- ann callis do, michigan. caller: thank you for having me on this morning. i wanted to say that this is a really difficult situation to try to tackle. our communities are trying to put something positive together for a situation that is as touchy as this. on one hand, i understand the police's predicament. just by the mere fact that a lot of black communities have a heavier police force due to the nature of what goes on to those neighborhoods i understand are the dangers few who may abuse their authority. do you think it would be

do a really good job. we will talk about making sure that we have good evaluation systems -- there is absolutely no research that says you can look at a student standardized test score ann callis good teacher or a bad teacher. there -- standardized test score and say if it is a good teacher or a bad teacher. when i asked one of my colleagues in an international conference we are discussing teacher evaluations, how it is that you identify quality teachers and teachers who need help, and teachers who really should not be there -- how would you identify a poor teacher, a bad teacher in finland, and she looked at me like i was insane. a lot of people do. she said are you telling me that you have a system that allows you to hire a bad teacher? it flipped my head and i went, good lord, they put it all on the front. they make sure that unless you are highly qualified, highly experienced -- they have a residency program like a doctor. i love the way that they care for, nurture, and develop the most highly professional career teachers in finland. that is a whole mother show. one of the things -- a whole show. in finland, when they decided to transform the education system, they got rid