to stanley ann dunham and why he left the family. what happened there? >> guest: left the family in kenya or hawaii? host go in hawaii. >> guest: he met her in 1960. she was very taken with him and he with her genuinely. she would write back to her friends in seattle, i am in love with an african and i think they were very struck with one another. she gets pregnant with him and a few months and they get married in february of 1961. together a very short time. i would say because some of the immigration documents of obama sr.'s. apparently, they were not even living together but then five or six months. while she is still pregnant, she is living with her parents and he is living somewhere else. she has the baby in august and he is starting to look around for where he is going to go to school next. he is done very well the university of wai. he completed his phi beta kappa and three years hence applies worldly schools. he is really smart. he applies to many schools. he gets a full scholarship from the new school in manhattan. he gets a partial scholarship

. >> host: she goes back to kenya and at that point does he have any contact with his -- ann dunham and barack obama at time? >> guest: according to the president's memoir there are letters between speed and he although they divorced in 64 there was letter-writing because eventually he comes as we know to honolulu in 71 but i don't think it was a great deal. >> host: i want to come back to the 71 visit. how many wives did he have? >> guest: all told he had four wives. how many at any one time depends on who you ask. >> host: that was the other question. that was a tradition in his culture. >> guest: one of the irony is forcing him to leave because of all of these wives was they were polygamist then and continue to be in there was normal to have multiple wives it would be odd if you didn't have multiple wives. the difference with obama you tend to live on your compound and you live together as a unit. obama was a serial polygamist, he had multiple wives. how many at one time is complicated because it isn't clear if he divorced his first wife. the first is still alive and maintains they'r

ann dunham had every reason to do it. she was 18 years old.g a mixed race baby at a time when intermarriage was very rare. she took her responsibility seriously. obama sr. had every reason to put the baby up for adoption. at the time, he was renewing his visa or hoping to. if immigration officials saw him as a polygamist with a mixed race baby, that might not have been the best profile to put forward. >> family members say they don't believe there was ever any evidence or any thoughts about putting barack obama up for adoption. do you believe they were actually considering it, given the evidence that you've seen? is >> i think it's more likely that obama sr. told them that to make them think the baby was going to vanish. it gave a cleaner profile for him to immigration officials. the only thing i do wonder about is he said the salvation army. the salvation army did have a maternity home in honolulu. it's interesting he mentioned that. maybe they talked about it, didn't go ahead with it. i don't think they made arrangements to actually do it, t

immigration file in which obama senior says to the foreign student advisor at the university of hawaii ann dunham with the salvation army to put the baby up for adoption. did they do that? we don't really know. obama senior could have made it up, made his portrait look better. up for visa renewal. it seems unlikely ann dunn could have done that kind of thing. he did say it so a reflection his father would have gone that far. >> how different things would have been. interesting book called "the other barack." thanks. we appreciate it. three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. >>> you look at all the things in the news in weeks like this, you have to ask yourself if the country has lost its mind. we're careening toward debt default, the only thing from washington is call for grown-ups and we decide to turn to someone who has real experience losing his mind. paul provenza, a comedian and actor. >> it's the greatest intro i've ever had. >> you're welcome. >> i appreciate that. >> i try to help when i can. i've al