well, the chevron case itself arose when ann gorsuch, neil gorsuch's mother, was head of the environmental protection agency. she was part of the reagan revolution anti-deregulatory revolution. she was in office, tangled with congress. in fact, was even held in contempt of congress. and when she was forced out, she wrote in her own memoir, neil, son neil who was only 15 at the time, said, you shouldn't have quit. you taught me not to be a quitter, you shouldn't be a quitter. but neil gorsuch, perhaps inspired by his mother's own emphasis, has really opposed agency latitude here and urging his colleagues to take up a case like it's taking up today has said, rather than say what the law is, we tell those who come before us to go ask a bureaucrat, we place a finger on the scales of justice in favor of the most powerful of litigants, the federal government, and against everyone else. i expect him to be a major player today, poppy and phil, but i also want to tell you that he's got several colleagues on the bench with him who also oppose chevron deference, despite poppy's enthusiasm. >> yeah, i