my name is ann grogan, and i worked with professional organizations, and i'm a client, but not in this area. woy like to speak to the fact that in my conversation was this officer and getting to know him over the past couple months, it hasn't been intensive and i don't know the details of the application whatsoever, but i am speaking only of my conversations with him and my knowledge about his service record, which i have examined, i believe he is qualified for the position and would be welcomed into the community by the miller chants who need -- by the merchants who need service there. i have been impressed by his responsibility to answer to the commission, that he's aware of the regulation, and that he's prepared to comply with them and work cooperatively to provide service to this community. in that sense i would support his application and i want to thank him for his long service to this country. i believe he would adequately provide a good role model to other younger officers and follow in the footsteps are mr. chan. >> the city and the sfpd -- this is wasting taxpayer money. the