and, ann louise bardach, an author and journalist who's written extensively on cuba. her latest book is "without fidel." nick miroff, what do we know about this meeting between the pope and fidel castro? >> well, they met for about 30 minutes, so it was a brief meeting. and this was just before the pope's departure back to rome, and after the mass he celebrated this morning in havana's plaza of the revolution. we don't know too much about what they talked about, other than fidel asking him if there were any changes to the catholic liturgy, since, as you may remember, fidel and his brother, raul, both went to jesuit school as young boys growing up here in cuba. >> brown: nick, you were in revolution square today for the public mass. tell us about it. what was the atmosphere? what was it like? >> in some ways it was kind of like a political rally, only the banners hanging from the government buildings didn't say, "socialism," or "death" or "long live the revolution." they said, "jesus and mary and charity unites us. i think today was a national holiday for cubans, and t