. >> commissioner torres and commissioner ann moller caen is expected shortly. >> nexem

now, commissioner ann moller caen asked a very good question -- why are we waiting 4 years to implement a uniform rate for wastewater? back in 2007 i started the fight the family tax campaign to try to get rid of tiered rates because we believed they were unfair to families and at that time we had 3 tiers for water and 3 tiers for wastewater and using a calculation of 1 person in a single family condo using all 3 units, a buy monthly billing for that person for water and wastewater would have been 34.20 cents using the same amount of water per person per day in the 5-person family household, they would have been paying bi monthly 286 $286.66 if tier one represented the true cost of service then you would have expected in a 4-person household that the rate would have been the bill would have been four times the 34 the $34.20 of the 1 person household but indeed it was over annually $791 more. the san the san juan, capistrano case -- i'm sure you are aware is that tiered structures is illegal and i would say there's a provision for rate deviations within that 4-year period and i would urg

commissioner torres -- vp ann moller caen. >> i was curious to ask with the letters that you got in decent -- was there anything else mentioned? >> the letters that came? >> well in terms of the feedback the particular groups have particular concerns the general gist though is that those folks as commissioner moran was saying too much and ongoing but generally i think that represents a very very tiny percentage of the actual letters received. in the packet too there's concerns that are specific to landlords and specific groups and always concerns about how to promote conservation and to look into but generally i think that when folks hear what the money is going towards, they understand it. >> of the 210 thousand that were sent out what was the breakdown in terms of renters landlords and commercial. >> i know that 180 thousand or so were individual account holders and the remainder was san francisco property owners who were not account holders. >> under prop 218 you sent out a notice and the challenge would have to be the property owners themselves. >> as opposed to the renters. >> correct

. >> commissioner torres and commissioner ann moller caen is expected shortly. >> next item please. >> it's been moved and it's been seconded is there any public comment on approval of the meeting minutes all those in favor please signify by saying aye the item carries next item please. >> general public comment item 4. >> i have a speaker card for one other agenda item but not for this item is there any general public comment going once twice 3 times public comment is now closed madam next item please. . >> commissioners. >> commissioner moran. >> i have a couple of things on communications. one is there is a letter from bawsca making 3 recommendations and i noticed we were just handed a statement from the gm with five recommendations on it. i haven't had a chance really to look at those and i know of the three that i had reviewed in the communications, there are a couple that had some twists to them but i think deserve some staff review what i'd like to request is the staff take these five recommendations under consideration and come back to the commission with a response to them at

. >> vice president ann moller caen. >> i was going to say excellent presentation. >> so with that we'll come back in 3 weeks again to entertain your consideration and i will now turn the mic over to kevin chang. >> thank you very much thanks for being here. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon mr. president and commissioners my name is kevin chang i'd like to give our presentation after a culmination of 10 meetings. >> i want to thank you very much for the work that you and your rate commission have done it does not go unnoticed these are all volunteers listening to the residents of san francisco i know i speak for the commission we're very grateful for your service. >> thank you. >> can can we go to the slide please just a quick background. formed in 2002 and it's a part of the charter and normally review 5-year forecasts and we have done this 5 years ago the members of the board 3 from city staff and 4 appointed by the board of supervisors of the mayor's office and during today's presentations there's a need for representation of the public and i encourage this commission to encourage