if ann pierson is able to speak to that, that would be great. >> good morning everyone. deputy city attorney ann pierson. i was involved in this project in drafting the legislation. i have not been in involved firsthand since that time. i think you've heard a wonderful description of the process that has been undertaken by my office in collaboration with the public defender office and the court. three offices started working together to develop the form pleading that will be need to initiate one of these cases. i understand lot of work has gone into that. i'm sorry that the attorneys who worked on it is not here today but they are in court now. there were lot of back and forth with the court to make sure there's an understand who's burden it was to prove the underlining finding to show somebody is eligible. i do understand that the emergency stalled those discussions little bit. they've gone forward to completion and that the parties feel that -- we are ready to bring a case as soon as there's an individual who meets all the eligibility criteria. >> supervisor mandelman:

city attorney ann pierson, in the b.l.a.'s report to the issue of civilianization, there is policy number one area of the report, you know, despite the fact that the board had authorized 75 positions for civilianization and that there are many in line, the report said that we were not going to be able to complete that civilianization in this fiscal year because the p.o.a. meet and confer process will block it basically. i want to understand that a little bit more deeply. if this board of supervisors and mayor's office and the police chief all agree and has put money towards civilianization, the p.o.a. can block that from going into effect for years? >> i can speak generally to the question of meet and confer. i'm not familiar with the scenarios here, and i could find a colleague who could answer those questions. as a general matter under state law when the board introduces legislation that has impact on the working conditions of city employees, there is the duty to meet and confer. that process can take some time and it has t

city attorney ann pierson, in the b.l.a.'s report to the issue of civilianization, there is policy number one area of the report, you know, despite the fact that the board had authorized 75 positions for civilianization and that there are many in line, the report said that we were not going to be able to complete that civilianization in this fiscal year because the p.o.a. meet and confer process will block it basically. i want to understand that a little bit more deeply. if this board of supervisors and mayor's office and the police chief all agree and has put money towards civilianization, the p.o.a. can block that from going into effect for years? >> i can speak generally to the question of meet and confer. i'm not familiar with the scenarios here, and i could find a colleague who could answer those questions. as a general matter under state law when the board introduces legislation that has impact on the working conditions of city employees, there is the duty to meet and confer. that process can take some time and it has t