ann rosenthol was material and i think that jill made an effort. she was tough to work for. she is a tough journalist that is natural. >> was tina brown tough to work for? >> not to me. i loved tina and i had a wonderful time working for her. she started in vanity fair in 1984 and invited me to be her political correspondant. she didn't know about american politics but learned quickly. i covered the presidential characters and write long pieces that no longer you can write anymore. we had a wonderful run. and then when she started the daily beast i was one of her first columnnist. we got so comfortable with doing big pieces of world leaders that one time she called me and said i want you to do the pope. and i said i am not catholic. we are going beyond our fold. and she said i would rather do me menopause and i just see her eyes rolling around in her head because she just delivered a baby. she was thinking about the end of fertility but she recognized no body ever said that word. this was in 1991. >> so you did that piece, did you ever do the pope? >> no. >> where was this p