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it seems like the entire world is fighting against ufos. these ones over kyiv were quite crude. they were balloons that were at a relatively high altitude. from these balloons was a wire and then below the wire were what looked like objects made of tin foil, like cardboard and tin foil. ukrainian officials think that perhaps they were designed to disrupt radar or disrupt air defenses, but most ukrainian officials seem to think they were sent as a bit of psychological warfare to intimidate ukrainians, to confuse them and to get them to spend precious ammunition because ukrainians don't have a lot of air defenses right now. so if they're busy shooting down cardboard cutouts made of tin foil, it means they have less to use for real threats. but in general, out here in the east, there is an active fight going on. we are now about one week into russia's new offensive and so far the russians aren't making tremendous progress. they are throwing a lot of artillery into this fight. they have thrown a lot of manpower into this fight. the main focus of the assault is the city of bakmoud. ukrainians have speculated that the city would have fallen because the russians are spending so much effort into taking this one city which has become a symbol for them but the city is still holding. there is still an active combat area in it and around it but the ukrainians are hanging on. elsewhere along the front line, the russians don't seem to be making much progress. so this offensive still is struggling to get into first gear. >> it's really, really remarkable. thanks so much, richard engle. stay safe there. and joining us now is ambassador julianne smith, the u.s. ambassador to nato. with russia bombarding ukraine day after day as you just heard, ambassador, is there concern they might start using their very capable air force in the spring offensive? >> well, we haven't seen them rely on their air force to date in any significant way, and that's due mostly to the fact that the ukrainians now have quite strong air defense. we just had a meeting here in brussels with defense ministers from all nato allies and allies came together to look for additional assets that they can give the ukrainians to strengthen that existing air defense. it continues to be a focus for the ukrainians and for the alliance here in brussels. >> can that get in by march? how quickly can more air defenses get in and more ammunition and more artillery? >> well, fortunately, a number of contributions have been made or announced in recent months. we're now at the point where many countries are preparing to deploy additional forms of air defense. but as you just heard richard engle state, the focus is also on munitions. that's a key focus for nato allies and we're pushing to get additional ammunition and artillery in the hands of the ukrainians. the idea is to move as many assets as possible in the coming weeks so that when their spring offensive gets under way, whenever that might be, when the weather gets warmer, they're going to have the assets they need to succeed on the ground as we've already seen them do in recent months. >> although russia, according to all reports, has already started their offensive, it's under way. iran has been providing russia with drones, as we know. there are points now that iran is going to help manufacture drones in russia. how big a concern is that? >> well, that is a topic of conversation here inside the nato alliance. we're very concerned by the fact that the iranians have been providing these drones. these are the drones that the russians are using for these horrific attacks on ukrainian civilian infrastructure and often result in just indiscriminate attacks on civilians and the loss of civilian life. the ukrainians have been very capable in countering these iranian drones, but it is a concern. we're warning iran and any other country that's considering providing material support to russia that this is the wrong side to be on. that they should not be supporting russia in this war of aggression, this illegal war of aggression, and allies will continue to monitor the situation closely. >> as the one-year anniversary of the war approaches next week, what concerns you most? >> well, what concerns me most is that we're still seeing these horrific attacks across the country inside ukraine. russia could end this war today if it desired. president putin started this war a year ago. we want him to end the war as soon as possible. we've been so impressed with the bravery and the courage that the ukrainian forces have shown each and every month of this war, but we obviously want it to end. ultimately we believe the ukrainian forces will prevail and nato allies are united in their support for not only the ukrainian forces but the ukrainian people. >> and the nato secretary-general has now opened the door to letting finland into nato first because turkey is objecting to sweden. is that acceptable to the u.s., decoupling this? 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>> not at all. not a bit. >> are you going to kick back? >> whenever i'm kicked, i always kick back and he knows that. >> joining me now, victoria defrancesco soto, philip rucker, co-author of "a very stable genius" and top communications advisor to former speakers paul ryan and john boehner, brendan buck. brendan, we heard from nikki haley saying that she's more than glad to kick any direction necessary but she doesn't kick sideways. donald trump is doing plenty of kicking already at her even as we're speaking i'm getting a new statement from his folks saying that he's ahead of her in south carolina. what struck me in this opening announcement and interviews that followed is she didn't identify a single policy difference between her and the former president. really her candidacy it seems is based on the need for a new generation. is that enough to beat sort of the behemoth in the republican party? >> i don't know if it's enough. craig melvin was asking the right questions. how are you going beat donald trump? you don't get to jump ahead to joe biden, that's not how this works. she said she's going to kick back. she said this in her launch video that she doesn't tolerate bullies and she's going to fight back but seems unwilling to do so thus far. i understand it to a certain degree and i'm willing to give her some time here. you're introducing yourself to the country right now. you need to establish your own image and your own brand and not be so consumed by donald trump. i understand the desire not to be sucked into that. at some point, though, you have to realize you're running against donald trump. joe biden obviously is the end goal, but anybody who jumps into this race, whether it's her or tim scott or ron desantis, you're all running against donald trump. you need to establish why he is not fit for office again. at some point she may have to do that. i'm a little confused by coming out of the gate saying she's going to push back against bullies and going to kick and not doing it at her first opportunity. >> victoria, that is the fundamental challenge, how do you become the gop nominee until you knock off the last gop nominee. here is haley on the january 6th attack. take a listen to what she has said. >> i have said january 6th was a terrible day. i criticized him for that and i stand by that criticism. i have said he was a good president in the way that he lifted up so many people economically and he did real good in this country. that can be true too. when i see something right, i praise it. when i see something wrong, i criticize it. >> so, victoria, can you have it both ways in this effort right now to say january 6th was a terrible day but saying he was also a great president? >> she wants to have it both ways, peter. i don't know if she's going to be able to make it. i think right now she's going to look to time to be her biggest ally and hoping that other candidates get into the mix and deflect attention. but quite frankly this isn't unique to nikki haley. look at former vice president mike pence who's been making a lot of noises about getting in the race. the same story, right? there were some bad things in the trump presidency but there were some very good things. ron desantis. name any republican, potential republican presidential contender and it's the same thing. a couple of differentiators with nikki haley that i do think is interesting as compared to other folks. first is not just the age component but the harnessing of her immigrant na we usually think of the gop as harnessing immigration with a negative frame. here we're seeing it with a positive twist. is this a take back to the 1980s reagan/bush era of viewing immigration through a more positive lens? i don't know. but i'm fascinated by her really bringing in some new elements that we have not seen in the gop. let's state the obvious too, this is a woman. this is a woman and a party where traditionally we have not seen as much representation as we have in the democratic party. but gop women have been gaining a foothold. and is she going to harness that energy? >> i think that's what a lot of folks will be watching and what she's counting on certainly. phil, i want to ask you about what we just received from the aides to former president trump as it relates to that grand jury report that we just got within the last hour from those in fulton county, georgia, right now. they write in part the long-awaited important sections of the georgia report which do not even mention president trump's name have nothing to do with the president because president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. again, these are the words of a trump spokesperson. the president, they say, participated in two perfect phone calls regarding election integrity in georgia. at least one of those calls you know is the one he made to the secretary of state, brad raffensperger saying all we need to do is find 11,780 votes, one more vote than he was down in that race. the grand jury, phil, already said today there was no widespread fraud there. every court has agreed. how does this complicate the candidacy for the former president? >> well, peter, it certainly refutes the argument that the former president has made about the election in georgia, which is that that election was rigged. it was not rigged. this grand jury report makes that very clear, that there is no widespread evidence of fraud from georgia. by the way, there has not been any widespread evidence of fraud from any other state. we should keep in mind that from we saw today from fulton county is only a portion of this grand jury report. it does not include, for example, the names of anybody that the grand jury has recommended be charged criminally by the fulton county district attorney. those charges could potentially come in a matter of weeks or months later this year, but we simply don't know who they're recommending being charged. and so it is not in any way some sort of clean bill of health for former president trump. it's just a limited portion of that report that we've been able to see publicly. >> clearly not a clean bill of health but there's the way that he frames it. this is perfect, it indicates i did nothing wrong. it doesn't do that. brendan, we heard from former president trump's vice president, mike pence, just yesterday. he was pressed on why he is fighting the special counsel's subpoena. here's what he said. >> i think the issue here is whether or not a vice president who served as president of the senate should be subject to a subpoena to appear in court. >> but would you voluntarily testify under an agreement? >> the justice department has insisted on that. and i'm reserving that right in the event this were a matter that would go to trial. we just simply made it clear to them we think it is not only unprecedented but it's unconstitutional. >> our v colleague, vaughn hillyard, with the questions of the vice president. the justice department says pence is covered by legislative immunity presiding over the senate when they confirmed joe biden's win. is this about getting on the right side of the trump base for pence, who we anticipate will announce his own bid? >> yeah, it's what we were just talking about. it's trying to have it both ways. look, mike pence has talked about what happened on january 6th in several formats, including his own book. if he wanted to talk about this to the grand jury, to special counsel, he certainly could. but here again he doesn't want to alienate donald trump and his supporters, which is just this impossible situation, if you're actually trying to run for president, and defeat him. look, mike pence has an opportunity more than any of these people to say this is a person who is unfit for president. here's a clear way that he can do it. an indictment against donald trump i think would be incredibly powerful and put so much baggage around his neck it would be hard for him to move forward. mike pence has that chance but he doesn't want to do it because he wants to maintain some level of relevancy with his base and it's a really hard tight rope to walk. >> brendan buck, phil rucker, victoria, my friends, we appreciate you being with us. >>> coming up next, defense chief lloyd austin previews the president's first major remarks on china's surveillance program. that balloon and the multiple aerial objects since shot down by the u.s. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. if your moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks... choose stelara® from the start... and move toward relief after the first dose... with injections every two months. stelara® may increase your risk of infections, some serious, and cancer. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, sores, new skin growths, have had cancer, or if you need a vaccine. pres, a rare, potentially fatal brain condition, may be possible. some serious allergic reactions and lung inflammation can occur. feel unstoppable. ask your doctor how lasting remission can start with stelara®. janssen can help you explore cost support options. come here! you know why people are always looking at their phones? 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was it a military failure? >> no. it's how you use your radars. we typically are focused on things that are moving fast. so it's a bit more difficult to collect on slow-moving objects like a balloon. as they made adjustments, they were able to see some of that. >> and joining me now is pentagon correspondent, my colleague courtney kube. courtney, let's talk about the aerial objects and what the pentagon knows. what more do they know, especially about these three others that were clearly not spy balloons, not attributed to any state actors and were probably balloons, not objects. >> right. and the reality is the u.s. is still not saying much more about them, the u.s. government. they do believe they're leaning towards this theory that they were benign, that they didn't present any kind of a threat. in fact secretary austin said that, they presented no military threat to people on the ground. the concern was they may have presented a threat from the air to commercial aviation. but the reality is i asked secretary austin if given the fact the u.s. shot down these three not knowing what they were and now they believe they weren't a threat, does that mean we'll see more shootdowns like this. he said first we'll have to figure out what these three were. so we don't have a lot of answers. >> we're expecting perhaps when we hear from the president today to get the policy going forward. you know, were they too trigger happy, were they responding to politics. he won't address that because there was so much criticism on the hill. but what will be the protocol going forward. because as you know, as you've been reporting, they have now widened the appear tour of their radar. it's not that that stuff hasn't been out there more recently, but china does have a very aggressive program and that clearly is of concern. what did the secretary have to say about china? because china is saying this was accidental. but the u.s. is saying it was maneuverable. they actually steered it from canada down into idaho and montana and then across the country. >> and it could have been both. there may have been a moment where it went out of control and they couldn't control it but it was a maneuverable, enormous object. the belief was there was some intent here to use this to surveil the u.s. whether it was intended to go over sensitive sites in the u.s. you bring up a good point about the policy here. the u.s. and china, tensions are pretty high between these two countries right now. one of the things i spoke to secretary austin about is the fact that this military-to-military hotline that has existed for years now is no longer in existence. the chinese are simply not answering. secretary austin trying to call his chinese counterpart before they shot down the first balloon and they didn't answer. secretary austin saying that was dangerous. here's what he had to say. >> in this case and in the case we had a couple of months ago, when something happens, they somehow tend to shut down their military channels of communication. i think that's dangerous. but it won't stop me from continuing to encourage them to open up the lines of communication. i think that's the right thing to do. >> courtney, as secretary austin was just saying to you, we have to figure out what is happening, get these lines of communication open. they have been low-level diplomatic communications. but the important thing is very shortly, secretary blinken is going to be flying here tonight, overnight. the top diplomat from china is also coming. are they going to get together and try to reset relations after blinken a couple of weeks ago cancelled his trip because of the spy balloon. >> there's the potential for a sideline meeting, not an official formal meeting, but something where the two men could discuss. we don't know if that's going to happen yet. but it is really important that the diplomatic lines are still open at a low level. the mill-to-mill lines are extremely important because they serve as a deconfliction mechanism. if there's a miscommunication, without that immediate hotline, it only makes it more and more potentially dangerous when something is breaking. >> and even during the cold war, when we were covering the cold war, there were communications at the worst moments. >> right. >> on the hotline. >> think about over syria right now. the u.s. talks to russia on a deconfliction line so they can make sure their aircraft is not in the same area and there's no mistake or miscommunication. i wouldn't be surprised if the two membership do get together if that's something they discuss. >> courtney kube, thank you so much. it was courtney who first broke the story. we expect to hear from president biden as soon as today about the chinese spy balloon. the latest from our white house team next. we are live in munich at the security conference as it's beginning to open right here in germany. germany. we all have a purpose in life - a “why.” no matter your purpose, at pnc private bank we will work with you every step of the way to help you achieve it. so let us focus on the how. just tell us - what's your why? 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