anna isaac and dan neidle. that is absolutely brilliant. but now, have a listen to this... netflix announced they had bought it — their first welsh language drama. the show was commissioned by the welsh language broadcaster foc. of the show and adrian baker is executive producer of dal y mellt and co—founder of vox productions, also based in cardiff. adrian, congratulations to you as well. we heard at the top it is a crime heist, we heard some of the people in, but tell us a bit more about it and also about the practicalities of making a drama in welsh. well, i think it's like any other programme, frankly. you know, we have a crew and we go and shoot it. does all your crew have to speak welsh? no, no, no — i mean, the key technicians obviously do, like the directors and producer and obvoiusly the actors — they are all very much native welsh speakers, but we interface with english crew as well, so, it doesn't have to be entirely in welsh, and in fact the name of the show, when it comes up on netflix, is going to be called rough cut, because it is going to be an easier title

and i should bring in anna isaac, who is now at the guardian. when you got involved in this story, because you were at the independent at that point? that's right, in early july last year i worked with simon walters, who has been a long—standing lobby reporter who was working freelance for the independent at that stage on the story about hmrc investigation into zahawi and that was 9july last year, and that started to feed into a buzz around his financial affairs. i should add that lots of people have asked and done various reports over the years, going back even a decade, to ask a few questions about where mr zahawi's wealth comes from. he has been a very successful person, by all accounts, has a lot of money, so people have naturally ta ken some public interest examinations of that money, but that was simon and i wrote about the hmrc investigation for the first time. so that was the first we heard about it. that piqued your interest, dan neidle, and you started looking up, looking at it. how much pickup at that time was there in the wider press

just for a second, just to say, anna isaac, mostjournalists presumably isaac, most journalists presumablylped that dan was a lawyer himself, he could read them, in a way? ihla dan was a lawyer himself, he could read them, in a way?— dan was a lawyer himself, he could read them, in a way? no question dan has made a — read them, in a way? no question dan has made a really _ read them, in a way? no question dan has made a really valuable _ has made a really valuable contribution to illustrate some of the kinds of letters that members of the kinds of letters that members of the media might receive. i would pay huge tribute to the media lawyers i have both at the guardian and the independent who have to weigh things up independent who have to weigh things up sometimes a bit differently, but have cancelled it and allowed each stage of this reporting process to go ahead. the stories have been published. but i do think what dan is illustrating, and there is a broader point here, again not talking about this story in particular, about how the legal system in general might be used against public in

anna isaac and dan neidle. it's obviously brilliant. but now have a listen to this. week netflix announced they'd bought it their first welsh language drama. the show is commissioned by the welsh public service broadcaster sa si. griffin williams, who you heard from at the top of the show, is the chief content officer at fs forsey who joins us from cardiff. and adrian bate is executive producer of dal enmeshed and co—founder of vox productions, also based in cardiff. welcome to you both. and adrian, congratulations to you as well. you know, we heard at the top it's a it's a crime heist. we had some of the people in it. butjust tell us a bit more about it and and also about the practicalities of making a drama in welsh. well, i think it's like any other programme, frankly. you know, we have a crew and we go and shoot it, i think. does all your crews have to speak welsh or. no, no, no, no. i mean that the key technicians of the do the directors and the producer and obviously the actors all are very much native welsh speakers, but we interface with english crew as well.