please welcome to "the late show," anna palmer and jake sherman.e. for those who are not political insiders in washington, let's explain to people out there what the politico "playbook is." if not the bible of washington, it's the daily missileet of washington. everybody resident it twice a day, right? >> yeah. >> stephen: what's that like to put together every day, to sort of-- what-- how do you do it twice a day? >> i mean, we distill what's happening in the news. so, before you go to your 8:00 a.m. meeting, we tell them exactly what they need to know. >> we're combinations between walter cronkite and gossip girl, somewhere in between those two girls. >> stephen: i would like to see walter cronkite in gossip girl. >> right. >> stephen: decades covering politics, as i said, you write the most influential newsletter in d.c. is anybody talking about anythi in washington, d.c. other than the looming mueller report? >> no. >> no. ( laughter ). >> stephen: what are they saying about it? is everybody-- are people nervous? do people have their homes up?

activist and senior fell oh at think tank and editor of daily washington newsletter jake sherman and anna palmer. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck

host: anna palmer, when did you know you had a book? anna: we had talked about writing a book for a long time. we think capitol hill is the most interesting place in all of washington. 535 numbers of congress. you get an extreme amount of access to them. we knew after donald trump was elected, he promised to come into washington and upend the way things were done. all the power was in republican hands. things were going to be interesting. we never would have protected where you had paul ryan stepping down, republicans you -- losing their majority. really interesting characters we have been covering for a long time but also this through line of immigration and these massive fights. we knew there was a book but we got lucky. host: over the past two years we have also had this special counsel investigation. now that it's out, when you look back at what you were writing, does it jive with what you were reporting, what you read in this book? jake: we stayed away from the special counsel's investigation because we felt like it was a book of it

here was the scene as reported by jake sherman and anna palmer in their new book. nodding his hid taking what happened to be furious notes on a note card in front of him. people in the room were impressed that trump cement to be so engaged in gary cohn's proposal. notes hts nothing to do with infrastructure. sloppy steve, trump had scrawled on the top of the card in black marker. as cohen had detailed his plans to rebuild america's roads, the president was writing do you know how he wanted to trash steve bannon the next time someone asked him about it. joining our discussion now anna palmer and jake sherman, co-authors of the new book "the hill to die on, the battle for congress and the future of trump's america." co-authors of the politico playbook. really appreciate this in your first primetime interview about the book. we'll sell as many as we can. so so many things about the furious taking of notes and it turns out to be sloppy steve. he does rehearse the nicknames. he doesn't just rehearse them. he writes them, he sits down and thinks about them really hard. >

host: anna palmer, when did you know you had a book?nna: we had talked about writing a book for a long time. we think capitol hill is the most interesting place in all of washington. 535 numbers of congress. you get an extreme amount of access to them. we knew after donald trump was elected, he promised to come into washington and upend the way things were done. all the power was in republican hands. things were going to be interesting. we never would have protected where you had paul ryan stepping down, republicans you -- losing their majority. really interesting characters we have been covering for a long time but also this through line of immigration and these massive fights. we knew there was a book but we got lucky. host: over the past two years we have also had this special counsel investigation. now that it's out, when you look back at what you were writing, does it jive with what you were reporting, what you read in this book? jake: we stayed away from the special counsel's investigation because we felt like it was a book of its

authors of a fascinating new book on congress in the age of trump, politico's jake sherman and anna palmerre joining us, everybody! ( cheers and applause ) also tonight, democrats want mike pence to be president. elon musk is giving your car a job and cnn hosts the most boring binge watch of all time. first let's catch up on today's headlines. let's start with some technology news. if you're a samsung owner who survived your exploding phone, good news, the new phones break in a less exploding kind of way. >> samsung is postponing release of its galaxy fold smartphone after viewers reported problems with phones that gold like a sandwich. >> problems like debris under the screen, malfunctions displays and total failure of the device after just a couple of days of basic usage. >> trevor: yes, it turns out it isn't a good idea to take a screen and fold it in half. ( laughter ) i'll be honest, though. i'm bummed about this because i don't need a folding phone for anything, but i like this idea. i like how it made me feel like we were in the future. like when was the last time you had a phone th

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also joining us, anna palmer and jake schommer to talk about the news of the day.e sure to watch c-span's washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. this morning. join the discussion. >> william barr will testify before both the house and senate judiciary committee on the mueller reports live wednesday and thursday on c-span3, c-span.org or you can listen the free c-span radio app. >> president trump is skipping the annual white house correspondents dinner this year and will hold a campaign rally in green bay, wisconsin. watch coverage of the rally saturday on c-span at 8:00 p.m. eastern. following the rally, watch coverage of the white house correspondents dinner. at an event hosted by the new york university, anticipated a discussion on government reform as a campaign issue. this event was held at nyu's washington, d.c. campus. host: so, welcome here to nyu's

please welcome jake sherman and anna palmer. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ >> trevor: welcome to the showevor: first of all, congratulations on having a book about congress that people actually want to read. >> yeah, we were told for many years that if we wrote a book about congress no one would read it so we decided to test that proposition. >> trevor: why, though? why? >> congress is the most interesting place as a reporter. there's 535 basically class presidents who are vying for power and love to talk to people like us. >> and we got to write a story once many years ago about members of congress skinny dipping in the sea of galilee, so that's when i really got sold on the whole proposition of covering congress. >> trevor: so you are the only person who heard of congress people naked and was like i want more of this. ( laughter ) that makes you an interesting person in and of itself. >> yeah. >> trevor: you are known for writing politico's playbook which many regard as the be all end all in politics and what's happening in dee see. you have it coming out two times a day. tidbits, this

. >> at our table this morning, anna palmer and dick sherman coauthors of this book "the hill to die on". dick sherman, the title where does it come from? >> we actually chose the title before we wrote the book which is a dangerous thing to do. but we really thought two things, number one, we thought capitol hill as we have been covering it for the last ten years is really the place where a lot of legislation goes to die, so it is the hill that legislation dies on. it is also we felt like it is a title that makes sense because there's issues that members of congress die on, immigration reform, formerly federal spending no longer federal spending so we had that in our mind. >> what does it mean over the last two years in the trump era? >> both of those things. i mean, you saw at the end of 2018, republicans died on the immigration hill. they shut down the government for 35 days for changes to the immigration laws of the country. and various other issues, healthcare, tax reform, those were republican hills to die on over the last two years. >> when did you know you had a book? what was

now bring in anna palmer, playbook author and host of women rule podcast. how do you think his apology is going over today? >> well, i think joe biden did exactly what he needed to do in the short term. there was a vacuum, he had not responded to any allegations except through statements and was letting everybody else talk for him. you had different democrats defending him, others questioning where he was on the issue. i think he was trying to control the message. is it enough in the long-term? i don't think so. i think he will be asked tough questions and i think there is an expectation of some kind of apology. >> melissa: yeah, i mean, he did skip over actually saying he was sorry. another notable omission others commented on, you haven't heard from the obamas at all. michelle obama is out on book tour, on the "new york times" best-selling list, influential, she did not say anything in support of him. do you think that is odd? >> she hasn't. valerie jarrett, did come out fairly supportive of joe biden and had a lot of other democrats in the party. we sat

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anna palmer and senior writer jake sherman.e and anna are the authors of the very readable new book "the hiel to die on" the hill of course being capitol hill. we're going to get to your book in a little bit. but this simply, this is the longest interview i've had with mayer pete. heather, this is your side of the spectrum. how did he do? what did you think? >> i think he did great. he's a rods scholar, went to harvard. he's a years younger than me. >> right now we're in the moment and finding out who is pete. i think we're finding out what's he going to do for american families. voters are interested in the biography of all that. what they want to know is how will you change the life of my children, how will you help me afford retirement and that kind of thing. there's going to be demonstrable change in their shot at the american dream and that's why they're asking candidates for platforms. that's not yet part of his story. >> the path of the presidency goes to the rust belt. he's of the rust belt. >> he has deindustrializatio

>> julie: anna palmer, thank you. have a wonderful weekend.news now for you this afternoon. a california couple, you remember because he pleaded guilty to starving and abusing their children. they have been sentenced to life behind bars. david and louise turpin admitted to torturing and abusing 12 of their children inside of the home. some of the children spoke of the sentencing hearing recounting their abuse. migrant surge of the southern border, overwhelming yet another red this time in new mexico, officials there, which borders el paso, texas, comic declaring a state of emergency and employing the national guard to help. jonathan hunt is following the story from the west coast newsroom with the latest. hey, jonathan. >> in the wake of that state of emergency, jewelry, a group of private citizens not taking medicine their own hands saying it's their duty to help voter patrol and stop what they call it a on our freedom." the vigilantes, as you can see in this video, dressed in military-style uniforms. they carry weapons and appear on video th

deputy assistant general and paul butler, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutors and anna palmer and jake sherman, senior writer for politico, as well. tom, let me start with you here. the idea that there is concern inside the west wing. reporting that folks are worried that whatever they've said to robert mueller is going to get back to the president. he's going to be angry about it. vol valid concern in your view? >> yes. this is a president, i think, is not going to give kind of a gold star of appreciation to his staffers who cooperated with mueller and provided information that is damaging. so, i do think the staffers are rightly concerned. i mean, the isis goiis is going legal report that mueller is going to identify the support for conclusion. it won't take sherlock holmes to figure out in some cases a one-on-one exchange with the president who the staffer was that cooperated with bob mueller. >> trump has said and done so many incriminating things in public like when he admitted he fired james comey because of the russia investigation. you can only imagine what he says one

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anna palmer, tell us about "the hill to die on."ly capitol hill? >> i think what we tried to do was take a look after this campaign. you had donald trump come in as a change candidate in a change election, wanting to change washington, which is as everybody around this table and you both know, a place that is steeped in history and procedure and doesn't change very easily. i think we tried to look at it from the congressional perspective, the congressional leaders and say how do you work with donald trump? does he change things? is it upended or at the end of the day is a referendum on his policies? at the end of the day republicans lost the house and now you have a new day with nancy pelosi as speaker. >> i read joe stockman's book, because i'm such an old man, today's my birthday -- >> oh, man! >> i remember reading david stockman's book, an incredible book, and he concludes revolutions in washington are not possible and perhaps should not be possible. we're tacking about trump like everybody else, barack obama, wanted to come to

in dominik nitsche, jonathan swann from axios, anna palmer of politico and coauthor of the new book, , the battle of congress in the future of transamerica." and tom bevan. let's start with io, anna. frank has its privilege. your thoughts about trumps rollout today, the fact that his first event is a big ticket fund-raiser tonight in philadelphia, $2800 per pop. and some left-leaning regressive groups are already saying he's old guard. >> i think he is playing by the old playbook here, for he knows he needs to raise money. that's the big weakness. i think the question is going to be, can he ignite the liberal beast. and so far joe biden has not made the case. >> >> chris: that's really going to be one of his first challenges, 24-hour fund-raising number, isn't it? >> that the strange thing is, we will report this tomorrow morning but i might as well just say it now. he's not welcome. it's nothing for bernie to say that, he's got this army of young people that are excited about him but joe biden doesn't have that. >> more people like paying $2800. >> i think the real interesting thing

at our table this morning, anna palmer and jake sherman, co-authors of this book, "the hill to die on: the battle for congress and the future of trump's america." jake sherman, the hill to die on, that title, which is a come from? jake: we chose the title before we wrote the book, which is a dangerous thing to do. we thought two things. number one, we thought, but capitol hill, as we've been covering, is the place where a lot of legislation goes to die. it's a health legislation dies on. makeslso a title that sense, because there are issues where members of congress die on. immigration reform. formally, federal spending. it had a double entendre in our minds. >> what does it mean over the last few years in a truck era? jake: you saw the end of 2018, republicans died on the immigration held. government to the change the immigration laws of the country. others, health care and tax reform. those are the hills to die on. >> when did you know you had a buck? anna: we talked about writing a book for a long time. we think capitol hill is the most interesting place in all of washington. 535 m

with that i want to welcome in my panel for tonight, jake sherman, anna palmer.y are the coauthors of the book "the hill to die on". also with me, msnbc contributor, betsy woodruff. senior washington correspondent kimberly atkins. and on the trail with pete buttigieg in south reporter fo washington post" and nbc political analyst robert costa. thank you for being here tonight. betsy, i want to start with you because as somebody who hangs out on capitol hill during the week i was excited we were going to have a couple weeks of recess here, but the reality is this is going to be the mueller show this week in washington. what are we expecting to learn at this point, coming up this week and what are we expecting is going to be left out? >> it depends on how enthusiastic of a redaction job bill barr did. he pick four categories of material to redact, including material that could quote, unquote embarrass peripheral characters. and debending on how expansive he treats the redaction, this could be a lot of black boxes. if not, the question is going to be why mueller's t

fox news judicial analyst andrew napolitano, mollie hemingway, and anna palmer, also the coauthor ofill to die on," the future of transamerica. a great reader we'll talk about that in just a bit. what do you think about this case now? >> i agree with the argument that was just made by congresswoman gabbert from hawaii. this is a case about free speech, a case about punishing journalists. a journalist who revealed information devastating to what the united states had been saying and lying about. it was truthful information that the people in a free democracy have a right to know. it was a crime committed? yes! the crime was committed by chelsea manning. it was charge , until president obama decided to commute her sentence. that was the crime. the crime is the theft of the information, not the receipt of it by a generalist and its publication. can you help the thief get the information to you? of course you can. like "the new york times" did with daniel ellsberg and the washington court did with daniel ellsberg in the supreme court upheld the privilege. >> bret: this is the secretary o

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joining me, jake sherman and anna palmer, they're the writers of the new book the hill to die on.uture of trump's america, i'm so excited for you guys, the book is amazing, it's like a scoop every page. and today it's really relevant, we're talking about how the president is up ending washington, and there's no confirmed directors of various agencies, he's tweeting out policy, and rescinding policy own a day to day basis. you write about how he changed washington and when he came into power. we already teased that section where senators were paranoid and worried that they were going to steal their phones and download their data. you also write this, dealing with trump meant listening to what he said, guessing what he meant and proceeding with caution toward an uncertain end. for a town accustomed to progress, it was an unusual predicament. lawmakers came to repeat the same mantra over and over again, i was here before him, i'll be here after him. are they still nervous before trump? >> yes, i'd say so. when you were introing this, i thought about something that's really fitting to

let's bring in our senior washington correspondent, anna palmer. help us through this here because larry kudlow earlier today spoke out at the white house on whether or not the president is going to release his tax returns. and let's share what he said. >> the president is not releasing his tax forms today. i refer you to secretary treasury mnuchin. he's submitted hundreds of pages. you know the arguments. >> talk to mnuchin. let him answer that. that's a lie. we know the president, even if he is being audited, can submit his taxes. >> sure. this is a political argument that the white house has been making now for 2 1/2 years to see he's under audit. this has been litigated. they do not want to release his taxes. it's unclear why. even congress is trying to get them under, you know, threat of subpoena potentially to try to get these taxes from president trump. but just like in the campaign, he never released them. this is not something he wants to do and i think democrats have made this a litmus test which is why you're seeing so many 2020 presiden

and anna palmer, from political playbook.ok the hill to die under the battle fo congress and the future of drum trumps america. and republican pollster rich, what do you make of the presidents moves this last couple of weeks on immigration, whether it's the idea of shipping immigrants to sanctuar cities, closing the border, cleaning house at dhs, how much of it is real and how much of his is just showing his frustration? >> i think the shipping, the idea of shipping these migrants to century cities is more rhetorical point than a policy. the idea that ice is completely overwhelmed by the crisis at th border and is underfunded to begin with will overtake this major logistical operation and topple what it's doing to get the is just implausible, but it all goes to just how the president is infuriated by the situation at the border and he should be. our rules are completely insane. are you a family man we basically waive you end. we're seeing a situation where over the course of the next year , 1 percent of the population of guat

activist and nior fell oh at think tank and editor of daily washington newsletter jake sherman and anna palmer. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. there is a truism in american politics that has enormous plications for the 2020 presidential race. when we elect new presidents, they are in many ways the polar opposites of the outgoing president. we followed watergate soaked richard nixon with i'll never lie to you jimmy carter. when the job seemed too big for carter we repleased him with ronald confident reagan. later the buttoned down george h.w. bush before being beaten by saxophone baby boomer clinton, led to george w. bush oes shoot from the hip styleto lebama succeeded by blow the place up, donald trump. which is positioned to be best polar opposite of president trump. thereave been 14 all viewing to be that anti-trump candidate. mopping them, 37-year-old south bend mayor pete buttigieg having the kind of momenthat may not have

joining us now, jake sherman and anna palmer who cowrite the politico playbook.eing with us. i want to read a quote getting a lot of attention in the book. it's a microcosm of the struggle between congress and the president here. it has to do with a meeting the president was sitting in chaired by ga rico hen about infrastructure. people were impressed that trump seemed so engaged in the proposal especially after seeming skeptical after the presentation. but the notes had nothing to do with infrastructure. sloppy steve, trump had scrawled on the top of the card in black marker. copious notes followed as cohn had detailed his plans to rebuild america's roads the president was writing down how he wanted to trash steve bannon. there are people trying to govern and the president is doing something decidedly different. >> yeah. i think what this shows is all the behavior you think the president is doing, he actually is doing. he's thinking about branding, how he's going to trash the next person who he thinks has wronged him instead of trying to figure out how to solve

anna palmer and jake sherman are here with me. great to see you guys.closure, we're good friends. they were the people when i arrived on capitol hill to show me the bathroom. herman cain, what does this mean? what does this tell you that republicans are saying -- the fact mitch mcconnell had to come out and give advice on how the white house should handle nominations, what does this tell you? >> what you're really seeing is a power struggle where senate republicans have more so than the house been hesitant to stand up to the president on a variety of issues. you named some more recently where they're starting to get a backbone, but confirmations and putting people who are qualified for a position, as important as the federal reserve, is something they take seriously and clearly are not afraid to say no, herman cain, who really doesn't have the qualifications that anybody, any previous people on the federal reserve board have. he's just unqualified is what they're saying. >> when you come to the laundry list of things where there have been a departure in

followed by the hills the dye on politico jake sherman and anna palmer look at president trump's firsto years in washington and the battle for congress. after that's former first lady michelle obama's memoir becoming which is the best-selling book of 2018. then tara westover recalls going up in the idaho mountains at her introduction to formal education at age 17 in "educated.". wrapping up our look at some of the best-selling nonfiction books according to the washington post is working, pulitzer prize-winning biographer robert karen's account of his experiences researching and writing his books. all of these authors that i have or will be appearing on book tv and you can watch them online at booktv.org. now on booktv, a portion of a recent program the manhattan institute's heather mac donald takes a critical look at political correctness in higher education in her most recent book "the diversity delusion: how race and gender corrupt the university and undermine our culture". >> there has never been a more tolerant, more opportunity filled environment in human history then the college

politico reporter jake sherman and anna palmer wrote the book together.pitol hill for nearly a decade and this book is the result of 26 months of reporting. they interviewed senators, house members, white house aides and president trump. good morning. >> good morning. >> not only is it full of information, it is a juicy read. >> yeah. >> but first, let's talk about the news. secretary nielsen resigning. who will be her replacement and how hard will it be to get that person confirmed? >> very difficult to get the person confirmed. i think that we know for a fact. people have mentioned rick perry, but donald trump seems to like acting secretaries at the moment. he believes that they have -- he has more control over them and they don't get too comfortable in the job, which is something as you noted we have seen a dozen cabinet secretaries leave. something he likes. >> and they don't have to get confirmed. >> right. >> which is the key. >> he also seems to like chaos as you point out in your book. he likes to stir things up and keep everybody off balance. >>

anna palmer. good to have your analysis of all this. centrist, if there is a true century, right, the guy that appeared on fox news channel at a town hall, howard schultz, the stormer ceo of starbucks he tried to make his case of a 2020 run. very interesting to watch on this, particularly on the economics. hillary vaughn joins us from kansas city where she was covering all of that with the latest. hey, hillary. reporter: hey, connell. the former starbucks ceo he wants all americans to have access to things his starbucks employees had access too, quality health care a living wage, a college education. he is making no apologies for considering an independent run in 2020 for president even though democrats have been really critical of him for weighing this decision. he says the biggest threat that would cause president trump to be elected again is not a third party run by him but actually democratic socialists like bernie sanders. >> i'm not going to be a spoiler. what does that mean? first off a democrat runs who resembles bernie sanders

at our table this morning, anna palmer and jake sherman, co-authors of this book, "the hill to die on: the battle for congress and the future of trump's america." jake sherman, the hill to die on, that title, which is a come from? jake: we chose the title before we wrote the book, which is a dangerous thing to do. we thought two things. number one, we thought, but capitol hill, as we've been covering, is the place where a lot of legislation goes to die.

. >> at our table this morning, anna palmer and dick sherman coauthors of this book "the hill to die on". dick sherman, the title where does it come from? >> we actually chose the title before we wrote the book which is a dangerous thing to do. but we really thought two things, number one, we thought capitol hill as we have been covering it for the last