joining me from cape town is anna stockwell he's an africa health expert and on trump and yeah he helped pioneer africa's 1st hiv treatment rollout inputs lana and he's also advised new mice governments on matches of health parity earnest how do you think the continent is teeming with the current if i spend any at this particular moment i'd have to say the continent is dealing remarkably well we know that treating our way through the current epidemic is not an option for africa we've got too little infrastructure in place too few facilities too few health workers too few supplies this country that have you know 3 ventilators for 5000000 people so trying to treat our way through this is not the option we must prevent it ergo the very aggressive lot down measures which are necessary to protect and save lives it does cause complications there because you know we have lots of vulnerable populations in terms of poverty and food and water and things like that but it's a very very tricky balancing act that leaders will have to walk it out to to maximally preserve lives while at the same time ma