valued internships and i think i remember the $50,000 that someone paid for a week at vogue to be anna wintour's peon. that's one of the consequences and increasingly i think the most valued ones are also in the creative sector in industries like fashion. you can see the evolution of what the tea party crowd referred to the culture of elite. and there is some -- clearly, there's some substance to that criticism. these are professions that are exclusively opened to moneyed people. when you have that kind of, you know, paid internship paying to have an unpaid internship as the ladder into the profession. >> yeah. hi. i've introduced myself to ross before. i work at an industry that's rife with unpaid interns. it's television and film production. i was one of 20 unpaid interns. and i hope you don't mind first of all if i plug -- have a facebook group called internships for education. so if anyone is interested, please go there because i would really like to address this. i would really like to get a dialog to address it. one of the points that i've struggled with is the fact that the department of