and anne borel who is the author of "cook like a rock star.". you've written 11 cookbooks? >> yes. >> two of them with the writer of this "new york times" article that's caused all of this. >> right. julia moss kin was my collaborator and i think that's a really important word. i think ghost writer is sort of the issue in terms of the terminology. we have collaborators. they help us reduce the book. but i want to get the gossip out of the way first. i know for a fact that rachael ray writes her own recipes. i've seen her do it in between her shows, in the segments in the corner writing her recipes away. and also on the other side of it, i don't think that julia moskin who is the writer of "the new york times" story started this article in sort of the gotcha form. she wasn't looking to un, you know, to unveil the chef cookbook. i think she was trying to write a story about her prior career before she started writing about "the new york times." and lots of names got thrown in there and some people got their feelings hurt. >> let's understand, tho