that was tony hall, the bbc director—general and his deputy anne bulford and the head of news and currentng on from a much longer than anticipated session earlier this afternoon with the bbc former china editor carrie gracie. she resigned of course from that particular post because of unequal pay and she was in a very long session alongside the head of the nuj. so we were listening at length to tony hall and his evidence there because that was in response to much of what carrie gracie had to say. that is in front of the digital media sports select committee in parliament. our media editor is here. you have been listening to a lot of evidence this afternoon. there maybe people just lot of evidence this afternoon. there maybe peoplejust picking up on this who did not hear what carrie gracie had to say at the start of the afternoon. hard to do still a lot of evidence but some of the key points, the key issues that have stood out for you? well it was a strange afternoon, it started off with some explosive testimony from carrie gracie. and then this kind of bureaucratic lot of noise we've had

we were just hearing from anne bulford, the bbc‘s deputy director—general.ony hall. we will stay with this for now. i do not believe that the bbc is an organisation where we have gone out and said, because it is illegal to do so, that is a woman, we will pay higher less to do that job. i do not believe that is the way we operate. to go back to the case of carrie, she was being paid less. i have said already that the grievances, the mistakes that the grievances, the mistakes that the grievance procedure has found, i accept grievance procedure has found, i a cce pt we grievance procedure has found, i accept we are wrong and i'm sorry about that. that was a big failure of management, wasn't it? the systems were not in place to deal with that. no, and i think... are you it wasn't a failure of management? what i am saying is, for me, management is always about learning and listing. this is why anne and i began a process two years ago. james harding also looked at theissue ago. james harding also looked at the issue of top talent pay in the news because we knew we