women and children be devalued allies and integrated back into the societies they left well dr anne speckhard is a director of the international center for the study of violent extremism and joins us from washington d.c. welcome to day doubly dr many governments don't want these women and children back because they see them as potential security risks are others fears justified. well of course they are justified we have had. people coming back from isis when isis once in its heyday attacking in brussels and attacking in paris and we've seen all kinds of attacks throughout europe although the majority of those attacks took place with people that were. that hadn't gone to syria there were living in europe so to be fearful of i since it's normal and to be fearful of the people coming back but i can say that i've been in both camp roche and camp hole and talked to 24 german citizens or legal residents that are being held by the u.s.g.s. both men and women and the women don't look at that actually men and women don't look that threatening to me they're sick of isis they had a bad experience but i