♪ ♪ >> joining us now is annie clark, she was sexually assaulted as a students at the university of northhe's the cofounder i've group ending rape on campus. as many times as i hear that, i cannot believe it. that they gave you a football metaphor. >> yes, that's what happened. and that's actually not uncommon. not that specific metaphor, that victims are blamed when they go forward. i actually don't think this person said something out of mall i.i think it was just because she was uneducated and didn't understand that she was blaming the victim. >> you travel around the country as part of your work. are things better or the same was when you were in college? >> i think they are starting to. i think the very fact that we are able to have this conversation is a step in the right directs, i do agree with both of you what you said earlier there is not uniformity armed the country. policies are different, states, even schools within the same state. so we are moving in the right directs, but it's happening pretty slowly. >> i want to get to something andrew, with respect to these more than 50