i bring in annie larson attorney for freeman and malls. thank you so much for joining us today. i want to start by getting your reaction to the conversation we have just had. your clients won. giuliani remains unrepentantant as you heard through his representative. why don't you clarify for the american public about what it is about rudy giuliani that seems to say he did not have an opportunity to defend himself or the judgment against him is somehow invalid. >> first of all thanks so much for having me laura. hopefully this conversation can go a little differently than the lasts one you just had. >> i think you know, it seems mr. goodman is confused about what has happened over the past couple years in litigation so i would be happy to offer an explanation to him and anyone else wanting to understand. the way that litigation works, civil litigation works which of course mr. giuliani having been an attorney for you know half of a century is well aware of, is that the parties to a litigation engage in discovery where they exchange relevant documents to that litigation. here relev