bring you his speech live but for some deeper insight into o'malley's background we'll turn to annie linskyor "the baltimore sun" and covered o'malley extensively. i'm interested annie, if you get a sense from covering governor o'malley is this someone who made a glib and nice governor who played the by guitar or somebody presidential material. >> reporter: great question and one reporters have been asking for years. this is an ambition he had since he was mayor of baltimore. it's been in his head for a very long time and i think it's colored some of the decisions that he's made as governor. he's always had his eye on this. it's funny i was looking back to the first articles that mention him as a presidential candidate and they really go back to clinton saying it in his first year as mayor. covering o'malley has opinion about 2016 for a very long tile. >> annie, this is elizabeth. i want to ask you a question. one of the terms we've been hearing a lot when we talk about hillary clinton is transparency. in your opinion and your coverage how transparent was he as a mayor then governor of your

. >> we're joined now by annie linski reporter for the "boston globe." david axelrod, i listened very carefully for elizabeth warren to say oh, no, no that wouldn't make me run for president. i didn't hear it. >> no. and perhaps she would. i think from the beginning here she's not said definitively that she wouldn't run. and i think she knows she's got a great deal of leverage in the debate right now by not answering that question. even if it's her intent not to run. i think what she's doing however, is putting hillary clinton in a position where it's going to be much harder for hillary to take the position she wants. because it will look as if she is acting out of fear of a warren candidacy rather than on the merits and it's particularly sticky for her having been the secretary of state when this -- when this processÑwl[ of negotiations began to -- began on the agreement. >> david axelrod, there's a guy from chicago who has just kind of barged in here. i'm going to put him aside. but bill murray, you know, i told people there might be a surprised guest