ansar al shari is a good example.the wake of the attacks there was an initial claim of responsibility by that group and a lot of people rushed out and said, this is the group that's responsible. then that group withdrew the claim of responsibility. now neither is de-spositive. we don't know that that group was responsible at the time. jim, if i could, if the idea that saying extremists is some how hiding the ball, i mean, does anybody in this room not understand that extremists in libya means the kind of people who would attack a u.s. diplomatic facility? >> but if you go back to what susan rice was talking about during those talk shows, she may have left open the possibility that this is an altogether different thing. >> well, actually, jim, as i just said, on the sunday shows she talked about anshar al sharia, talked about al qaeda r could be responsible or other al qaeda linked affiliates. she did not say, we know for a fact they are responsible. that's why in the basic talking points, again, this is all about talk