host: your response to that, anthony carnevale?st: it is true that in the american system, the labor market, has always been more democratic than the college education system in the sense that it is awfully hard to get into harvard if you had low test scores and bad grades, but you can go into the economy, be an entrepreneur, and make a lot of money, but since the 1980's, that option has been reduced greatly. more and more occupations require an entry level skill that is above high school. it does not mean you need to have a four-year degree. it means that more and more, in order to get started in the american system, evening the skills that come with some post- high school education -- to get the skills that come with post- high school-education, you need that. host: let's look at a story from the new york times -- from "the new york times." is his job losses persist for the less-educated parents -- less-educated, what better- educated people have gained millions of studies according to a georgetown university study. where you sur