anthony coley. and ben smith is founder and editor ipchief of semafor.pondent from vanity fair, molly jonfast. i saw you wondering around the convention hall, so i know you were there. let me start with you, molly, because you were in there for all the speeches. joe biden got a sustained many minutes of applause in there. what was the feeling in the room? what were people saying who you were talking to in the room around that speech in. >> you know, it was a sort of amazing convention, i think. there were -- just people were delighted, and there was this sense, look, biden has made an enormous sacrifice that we're not used to in public life, seeing a president do this, and really hand it over to his vice president in such a generous way. like, you saw them tonight. i mean and even during the speech he kept saying, you know, don't just thank me, thank kamala, too. and that i think is really -- you sort of can't fake that level of friendship or whatever it is. so i did think you saw a lot of that today. and people were in good moods. i talked to a lot of p

joining us now, msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley. he's the former director of the office of public affairs. and new york university law professor, andrew weissman. he's a former fbi general counsel. and cohost of the podcast, prosecuting donald trump. >> so, here we are. i'm excited that we are getting to talk about these cases again, because they kind of recessed into the background. anthony, what is jack smith doing here with this process with the justice department? you know, parsing through these immunity decisions. what do they need these extra time for right now? >> what i and public affairs at doj i was still back in office, i had four tvs. i would watch talking heads like i am now. like andrew weissman's. tried to read the tea leaves, and figure out what was happening. sometimes they got it right. frequently, they didn't. so, what we know for sure is happening. what we know for sure in this case is that donald trump was indicted by a jury of his peers. we know this. this is not politically motivated as he suggested. the other

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