and one has to do with anthony emperiala. am i pronouncing that right? whom we might call the great white hunter after that beautiful quotation. and that is where he is now and what is he doing. and similarly with governor rhodes, where is he and what is he doing now? >> well, he's dead. >> is that true? >> yes. one thing i'll say about rhodes, not step on your line, but he lost the senate primary race that tuesday, all hoe it was very close. and he actually got a bump in points based on his rather heavy handed inflammatory reactions. so, yes, so he lost the primary and his governorship ran out and he kind of faded. >> and then he came back and was governor again. >> oh, he was. >> and he keeps coming back. he wins and stays twice and then by law you have to step away from governorship after two terms. so he stepped away for four years from '70 to '74. reelected again in '74 and again in '82. and he tried to run again later, but by then, his time had sort of passed. so he emerges in the early '60s, and steps back, at least officially. he's always there a