given the position of the church anthony picarello, and the current state of the ruling from the obama administration, is there a middle ground? can a compromise position be found that leaves both sides getting most but not all of what they want? >> well, the president and vice president, the executive branch, is entirely within... has this decision entirely within their control. so they can do what it is that we've been urging them to do from the outset, which is to remove the items from the mandate so people are not forced against their conscious to subsidize the women's health plans. they could also dramatically increase the breadth of what have is an extremely narrow religious exemption that they proposed in the first instance which covers really only individual churches and basically a very small perimeter around that so it leaves out charities, it leaves out hospitalss, it leaves out schools so they have the power entirely within their hands to expand that. we've been hearing lots of talk for a long time about a desire to accommodate but we haven't seen any action and so i think

a few women, who want to go along with a narrow band of bishops, who actually have said this anthony picarello says no employer should provide contraception. if he leaves being director of the bishops and open a taco bell, he shouldn't have to be able to have to provide insurance coverage for contraception because he's a good catholic. imagine. >> why was this not controversial when republicans proposed it federally a decade ago or 28 states put it in law, it's law in 28 states across the country, yet we have not heard a peep about it. do you think this is a manufactured controversy? >> absolutely i do. because i think that we have seen that these churches, that these hospitals, let's remember too, talking about hospital, talking about universities that operate in the public space, they get public dollars, they get special tax breaks because they are not for profit institutions, and they hire people and we're talking about janitors and seconds and nurses and students, and they have been doing this for a long time in more than half of the country. and now all of a sudden, this has become an ass