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and anthony roman. jim, let me begin with you. is this a clear cut case of a disgruntled former employee or is it a lot more complicated than that? >> well the human smiemind is a complicated place. the answers won't be satisfactory to any of us no matter what comes out here. and i do think you have some elements of mental illness. you have element of the workplace place violence. you have elements of revenge. and you have this guy, you know, looking at these young reporter and cameraman as successful people, winners u if you will. and he's a lose ner society. and he goes out and grabs on to that personal thing and also the larger things that go on in america like with the emmanuel massacre and virginia tech. i'm reminded also of the massacre in northern california when a young man went to the ocean when college was just beginning and starting massacring fellow college students and running them over and shooting them. you know these were successful people in his eye, people that were having the live fe he want to have and e couldn

now jim kcavanaugh, clint van zandt, and also here on set anthony roman. clint, let's start with the portrait that is emerging of this individual. >> yeah. well, unfortunately, it's a portrait that we've seen hung in too many cities in america. it's an individual who was angry, frustrated, rageful. it's somebody who accumulates insults and accumulates other negativity in his life. realize, this guy was terminated with cause from this television station over two years ago. he hung around the area. we've yet to hear what he's doing for two years and what we believe we know is he's kept this anger and rage directed at the last place that we know he worked and he blamed others for his own challenges in life. then he as you just said he rented this car last month so does that mean the planning has been going on potentially for at least a month? and then he takes all of his media skills, photographs this terrible act that he commits, posts it, sends out his manifesto to explain his anger, frustration and rage. telling us like so many other shooters since columbi

anthony roman is a security expert and he joins me here on set. anthony, we have the general manager talking, jeffrey marks, to his employees about what it was like to work with vester flanagan, aka bryce williams, that was his reporter name. they had a difficult time. he was let go two years ago. this is not somebody that was really on their radar. then we hear from that neighbor of his, virgil barker, who said he was demure, nice guy. this is totally out of character. how are people supposed to monitor each another to know when somebody might snap? >> it's very difficult to do that. one of the things employers can do is conduct comprehensive background investigations, to include medical history if the employee will provide that. and that will begin to offer hints. also looking at an employees past background with regard to employment and their personal background. all of that is fair game when you're entertaining hiring a new employee. most employers do a pretty cursory job of that, but never get in depth enough to begin to understand that there

. >> let me bring in security expert anthony roman. this is what we're dealing with here, someone who is savvy at social meeld. we are compelled to report this information and needy resmind, a church massacre at mother emanuel. it was a good samaritan an not very far, so we do have eyes and ears of individual. he's clearly not ready to turn himself in. this happened at 6:45 eastern time. he's not turned himself in. he may be negotiating, we don't know. but thalt houfr. >> with regard to your earlier take concerning it's the responsibility of the media. that would fmd. on the other hand, the individual is in the area of where the suspect was last seen, they can be on the lookout, protect themselves a little better. police are just by nature going to be on higher alert. so while there is a conflict mean the media and active law enforcement activity, there is also the benefit of maybe being on-site and the responsibility that you have to report what is happening. so in this instance, i think that it's very, very helpful, exist -- i believ

we'll work to get back anthony roman. captain john cox, i think you're still with me.so we lost our captain, as well. we'll work to get them back. nbc's chief global xhont bill neely with me. i'm reading up on this trying to figure out how investigators would be clinically looking at the flapperon and the planes itself talking about the surface of the boeing 777, the surface is microbe resistant and in the interest to me and the viewers is where the barnacles are growing because typically they wouldn't grow there and that has to also for those that are putting the pieces together of how this fragment came apart from the wing would be able to then maybe backtrack an explosion or glide into the water or something of another nature for how it went down. >> reporter: that's right. the scientific am sis by the experts will tell us something about the impact that that wing flap suffered. they'll be looking at those barnacle barnacles, shells and they will be able to tell what the temperature was of the water and the chemical composition of the water when those barnacles atta

i'm being joined now on the phone by former commercial airline pilot anthony roman. we have our first photo of the type of aircraft they were flying on this route. what is your experience with this kind of, what appears to be, propeller aircraft? >> the atr-42 is a french and italian built twin turboprop. simply what that means, dara, is that it does have propellers but those are modern jet engines and this aircraft has a long, very safe history of flying with very few on dgoing mechanical proble, originally produced in 1984 and still built today. this particular submodel seats approximately 42 to 50 people. it has suffered 23 whole loss accidents since 1984. and interestingly enough, one in the general vicinity in which the current aircraft has been lost during august 2014. the aircraft was lost in papua, new guinea, and had crashed with all the crew and passengers lost. i have to caution everyone. this is a very safe aircraft, made for short haul flights. the flight from jayipura to oksibil, we understand there were approximately 54 people on board. we've also lear

let me bring in investigation analyst and commercial pilot anthony roman. >> great to see you. >> let's talk about the new debris malaysian officials say they collected including a plane window and aluminum. how possible is it that this is part of the, you know missing plane? >> well, it is possible. but a tremendous amount of debris will always come up on the beaches at reunion island. it is in the zone in which the trash debris that is in the indian ocean, so they always suffer from a tremendous amount of debris. given that anything any debris that appears to be from a major airliner needs to be examined and needs to have forensic examination. >> so malaysian officials say the flaperon found last week is from mh370. french officials aren't going so far. they're saying instead they strongly presume it's from the missing plane. what do you make of the mixed messages? >> i'm very concerned about those mixed messages. it seems like a small difference, but from an investigative perspective, it's a wide chasm. when we're conducting forensic investigations only

i'm joined now by anthony roman, former commercial pilot.s being so cautious about drawing conclusions than the malaysian authorities and what does that say about the investigation? >> well, the forensic investigation is a far more complex affair than it appears on the surface. it has to prepare for the possibility that this may turn into a criminal investigation. then all bets are off. so the evidence must be treated as if a crime has been committed already. what happens when you're handling that evidence? everyone who touches it, every method of transport, the method that you touch it, the type of examination that you perform, who was there, how it was done has to be documented in minute detail. any destructive testing that has to be done, it has to be explained exactly how it's being done. >> when we look at that piece, the flaperon from the wing that is from a boeing 777, explain the significance of what marks would be on that flaperon if it were engaged, if it were trying to glide into the water as opposed to just being a part of the wi

. >> joining me now is security expert and former commercial pilate anthony roman and safety analyst vestigator greg faith. thank you for joining us. anthony, how were they able to reach this conclusion specifically about this piece? >> well, through forensic examination, of course. they physically inspect it and they use forensic techniques such as microscopic examination, chemical examination. and they also may use fiber optic examination with cameras on them to inspect the internal components of the part. there is also gross examination of the external portions to determine whether or not there may have been evidence of an explosion, evidence of a midair structural failure or evidence of an impact failure. and there can be various types of impact failure. what we would normally as lay people refer to as a "crash" or as a controlled water landing. >> as if former investigator yourself, greg, this is a small piece of the puzzle but what can we learn about the possible scenarios of how that plane went down and why? >> we don't have enough of the aircraft wreckage. this is just a six t

. >> let me bring in security expert anthony roman, ceo and founder of roman & associates.ave emerged about this killer in the past 24 hours. where does the investigation go from here? >> what they're going to do, jose, is look into the individual's background. they will secure his apartment as a crime scene. i'm sure initially the bomb squad was called out and made sure that there were no booby traps as we saw in colorado. once that's completed, a forensic examination will be done of the apartment. they'll look for notes, any documentation, any dyer diaries. they'll go into his social media in-depth, into the hard drive of his computer, they'll look for his telephone, mobile phone and hard-wired phone and they'll go into the hard drives there as well. they'll look and interview all relatives, all known associates, friends and neighbors. first to determine if anyone had any knowledge and whether or not he may have any associates who are like-minded which in this case looks highly unlikely. but it's a base they're going to cover as well. >> yeah, and the fact that he was so

it could be, anthony roman, that this situation assuredly is finalized with the capture of this suspectell, that would be very good news. my staff is reporting to me as we speak that the police have helicopters, they understand exactly where the suspect is, they have contained him, and hopefully they could bring this to an end through negotiations very, very shortly. but, you know, jose, the governor's statements bring to mind the responsibility that businesses have with regard to background investigations for employees, understanding employees who may be suffering from mental illness, providing the right avenues of mental health that may be available to them, because it really calls into mind the responsibility that companies and corporations and the news media has with regard to understanding who their staff is, understanding what their problems are, and making an effort ahead of time to manage these problems and provide the type of assistance a staff member can have and to understand their backgrounds in depth including, if permissible by law, a medical history and that kind of infor

the bad news is it was stolen 35, 36 years ago from roman totenberg and she inherited the vilen from anthony johnson, the same man who he thought had stolen it according to his daughter. >>> new jobless numbers are out and cnbc's global headquarters. >> i had not heard that stradivarius story. that's fascinating. great story. sell-off on wall street. you can blame oil prices again which are continuing to drop. that's good for us buying gasoline and disney's sharply lower and it's all about jobs, as well. we get the big jobs number tomorrow and we also learned this morning that layoffs announced in july were the highest we've learned in a few years now, up over 105,000 mainly because of a pullback in military spending. you see the dow down 139 points and you can blame a lot of that on disney today. by far the biggest loser on wall street is the coffee company keurig green mountain. it is down almost 30% right now after announcing that sales of its signature k-cups fell in the first quarter for the first time ever. as a result the company says it is laying off 5% of its workforce. keurig has r