joining us now is anthony romero who is the executive director of the aclu. thank you for taking time with us this evening. >> it's great to see you rachel. you're a sight for sore eyes. >> great to see you too. let me ask you about how i summed that up about prisons and jails. i feel like it's easy for a lot of american people to say they're at risk, but what did you expect? you got in trouble. prison staff and jail staff know that they've got those risks, but there is this situation which is both the dire number of cases we're seeing in these facilities and the fact that these will be reservoirs of infection for the entire population. >> volcanoes for the pandemic. we have to think about the fact we can't just wall them off and pretend that let the folks die behind bars. it's first inhumane. it's cruel. it would be unlawful. but it's also not practical. the fact there are 420,000 people who work in our prisons and jails, they're our neighbors, they're people in our churches and synagogues and mosques. they come in and out of the facilities. so, the same con

joining us now is anthony romero, the executive director of the aclu. mr. i know you are very busy right now. >> it's great to see you, rachel. >> it's great to see you too. well, let me ask you about how i summed that up about prisons and jails. >> yeah. >> i mean i feel like it's easy for a lot of american people to say, well, you know, they're at risk. but what did you expect? you got in trouble. prison staff and jail staff know that they've got those risks. but there is this situation which is both the dire number of cases we're seeing in these facilities. >> yeah. >> and the fact that these will be reservoirs of infection for the entire population. >> volcanos for the pandemic. we have to think about the fact that you can't just wall them off and pretend that let the folks die behind bars. it's first inhumane. it's cruel. it would be unlawful. but it's also not practical. there are 420,000 people who work in our prisons and jails. they're our neighbors. they're people in our churches, in our synagogues, in our mosques. they come in and out of the facil

joining us now is anthony romero. i know you are very busy right now. >> i'm busy. to see you, rachel. you're a sight for sore eyes. >> great to see you, too. let me ask you about how i summed that up about prisons and jails. >> yeah. >> i feel like it's easy for a lot of american people to say, well, they're at risk but what did you expect is th? you got in trouble. prison staff and jail staff know they have that risk but there is this situation that is a dire number of cases we're see income these facilities and the fact these will be rest vcues for infection. >> we have to think about the fact you can't wall them off and pretend let the folks die behind bars. it's first inhumane, it's cruel. there are 24,000 people that work in prison and jails. they are neighbors and people in our churches and synagogues and mosques. they come in and out of the facilities. the same concern for nurses and doctors in the hospitals without ppe, the same concerns we now have for the prison guards and the workers in the prisons and jails and they will become the vectors. my next-door