shows us is rampant in the highest ranks joining me to discuss it is retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow for the center for advanced defense studies and empath america also author of the book operation dark heart tony thanks so much for joining us tonight and i mean i know where you stand i know that you support more use of special operations right of smaller more targeted more per site projects or operations out there but do you think that there needs to be. more room for william mcraven fratto mike raven you know to do this without necessarily going through off the channels no i am very satisfied that the oversight currently in place is necessary for the very reason you brought up. colonel davis and his record points out that without proper oversight officers will tend to do the wrong thing at least at this point in time so we've got to consider the worst case scenario the second thing to consider is that we have a lot of regional commanders who already are engaging in a number of flight world special operations activities we want to make sure those things are coordinated

helped lose the battle for the hearts and minds of the iraqi people and retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow for the center for advanced defense studies and packed america he's also the author of the book operation dark heart additionally pentagon and military officials claim it two years ago while he was stationed in joe i'm sorry this is the quote that is going to be later i just kept going are you guys thank you for joining both and both of you have you know i can hear you can you hear me tony. tony can you hear us tonight are you think we're working out audio they say here with tony that peter you and tony both of you have had to deal with the consequences of speaking out right and you wrote a book about this and you had a blog where you linked to a wiki leaks piece and they went after him with full force do you think that lieutenant colonel davis should have seen this coming that he should have expected and i asked him two days ago i had a feeling that's what happened to you but at this point so we just get used to it it's very sad to say that yes lieutenant colonel davis

discuss on this president's day monday joining me to discuss it is retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow for the center for advanced defense studies and packed america he's also author of the book operation dark heart and we have bruce fein former deputy attorney general under president ronald reagan and chairman of the american freedom agenda john i thank you both for joining us tonight now ok we'll continue on first i just want to get your take in terms of ron paul in terms of veterans that support him marching in washington today do you think that that means that we should really start taking notice of that should cause some reflection when you have the candid that perhaps is the most anti-war right calling for all of our aggression to stop and he's the one that has so much support from the troops. well i don't necessarily think it's the end of aggression per se i think it's focusing on what we need to do as a as a country i'm a reagan republican and one of the things notable i like to believe as ronald reagan understood to not get is bogged down in large land conflicts.

lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow at the center for advanced studies led the black ops team in afghanistan. aaron david miller public policy fellow at the woodrow wilson international center who advised six different secretaries of state on arab/israeli negotiations. we assume this is clearly a diplomatic challenge for the moment, a rather intense one and perhaps nerve-racking but where would you begin your diplomacy today understanding the leverage that china would hold in iran, understanding some of the leverage the united states could have in israel, to simply cool this off a little bit? hard to do that, dylan. given the gaps that exist between the united states and iran and the fundamental mistrust collected over a period of the last 40 or 50 years. i mean, there are certain realities. the united states does not control the world. we basically have imposed as tough sanctions as we've imposed on any nation. you've got cyber attacks. you have assassinations, designed, presumably, others are carrying them out. to delay or retard the iranian nuclear program. but the rea