brought about conversations with great minds i'm speaking with anthony townsend senior research fellow at n.y.u. is ruben center for transportation and author of the new book smart cities big data civic backers and the quest for a new utopia anthony what is a civic hacker. civic hacker is someone who is using new digital technologies to try to reinvent government essentially or to try and reinvent their community and a lot of them are working with open data open government into which is a trend that's really taken hold in cities and nations around the world since roughly two thousand and eight two thousand and nine when it when it began in washington d.c. actually with the. c.t.o. of the city vivek kundra released a bunch of data sets that the city had previously had. add it all over the web or not release it all and basically they're trying to use the state it to create services to create maps to create stories about what's happening in cities and that allows people to to to make change and to experience their city and more you know useful fashion now into this realm of this public ci

earth are going to live in urban areas will technology help keep things under control i'll ask anthony townsend a senior research fellow at n.y.u. has written center for transportation and tonight's conversations with great minds . you need to know this earlier this week one of the jurors in the michael dunn case sat down with a.b.c. news to talk about that case take a look you think michael dunn got away with murder at this point. i i do myself personally yes when you went to the deliberating room you thought michael dunn was guilty yes or of killing seventeen year old boy yes or what convinced you that to me it was unnecessary you didn't think michael dunn had to kill jordan davis i don't believe most of the jurors while valerie thought that dunn should have been found guilty for the murder murder of jordan davis two jurors thought the dunn was justified in taking the actions that he did so why did those two jurors think that dunn was justified in opening fire on an s.u.v. filled with teenagers after argument over loud music because of florida's stand your ground shoot first law during closin

like transportation and waste disposal i guess for tonight's conversations of the great minds anthony townsend the senior research fellow at n.y.u. has written center. transportation and has written a link about this phenomenon as well as its potential dangers in his new book smart city big data civic akers' and the quest for a new utopia and then he joins us from our new york studios anthony walker. hi tom .