just one quick comment on antigraffiti coatings for those in the talk. this is a repeat. but we have to be very careful in selecting those materials and methods as well because sometimes just the coating alone can do more damage to historic fabric than not having it. so, we have to be looking at other strategies besides what i call it, what glue do i use. we have to be looking at strategies more on the prevention end. are we using motion cameras, lighting, sprinkler systems, relandscaping, fencing. the more we do, the more successful we're going to be. * on the preventive end >> we'll have a quick question, hear from chuck and i know there is a gentleman over there that has had his hand up. go ahead, chuck. >> we have an award winning mural program in the city of hayward, but we have one real strong block and that's dealing with at&t and their control boxes. they will not allow us to touch them. never mind the fact that volunteers have already put 20 coats on that box, okay. they do not want to put a single mural on any one of their boxes. has anybody had success with them

you've got vendors out there that are selling you products, including antigraffiti coatings. so, i think there's a level of what the significance of the historic building, if we're talking about the white house or the national monument, you know, we'll always get -- ua