and so one of the teachers in one of the books i read described a kid who is avoid antley attached walk nag a classroom like a sailboat tacking into the wind, wanting to get close to the teacher but not knowing how to do it and finally standing wh his back to teacher, wanting the teacher to connect but not knowing how to do that. and avoid antley attached kids later in life, the word areas in their brains are less active during social encounters. and at 70 they will have many fewer friends. now the things that happened in the first 18 months of life do not establish a life course. they don't determine. but they open pathways that can be either confirmed or changed by later experience. >> rose: how did you go about informing your own mind about the field? >> yeah, well, first of all, if you have, if you go to my basement you will see book shelves, will you see aut five or six book shels just filled with books on this stuff. so i just read and read and read and let it marinate and i calledeople and talked to them. i went to some conferences. and just slowly, you know, the way autodiadts w

what do you say about people both scholars antley people who consider lee to be a trader and have felt that the best thing would have been to execute him, what are your thoughts on that? >> that's a very difficult question. very interestingly, i think about -- a week ago i saw on line in the "washington post" columnist wrote that argument he couldn't understand why the league was praised in america because he was a traitor. i think every confederate arguably i guess if you will fully understanding what they did were traders. but fifth defining moments in our history are moments i think are in a sense of forgiveness and lincoln saw that. johnson would do it for different reasons. remember harry truman does it after world war ii, and yes, and they were in the sense of you to look at the confines of the constitution, but you know we were a country created by traders. they were in a line of traders, and to them they weren't, they were just falling in the revolutionary father's footsteps. and that's why execute everything else or leading officers the advantage the idea bringing davis to tri