my 1st guest tonight is anton corey neville. she is ukraine's representative in a case of the international court of justice, which alleges genocide by russia. mr. cornell, just good to have you with us tonight. i want to talk about the possibility of taking this, this aggression against ukraine, taking it to the i c. c. but 1st i want to talk about this verdict and conviction that came out today that was in ukrainian court. and it does set a president just 3 months into this war. what did you think when you heard the verdict, is it and the sentence as it was read out today? well, good evening from key if of course, the international criminal court, the i, c, c, is seen as important to track as important instrument to bring perpetrators. so for lunch to crime of genocide cramps against your management board crimes to responsibility. so of course we here in ukraine. do recognize and do work closely with the i c. c. in order for it to be to be effective and to have effective proceeding center. but of course, today's case is really