commissioner antonini: no. president miguel: motion to continue is not debatable. you have to call the question. the motion to continue is not available. >> motion to continue to october 7. commissioner antonini: no. commissioner borden: i'm going to say no for now. commissioner lee: no. commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. vice president olague: aye. president miguel: no. >> motion fails on a -4 vote. -- 3-4 vote. the motion currently on the floor is for approval of all components of the case including the adoption of the ceqa finding. commissioner sugaya: yes. if that is going to be the direction the commission is taking, i'll have to vote against the motion. if you separate it out, i can vote for some of them but not for another one. so, i'm just letting you know that. >> as maker of the motion it doesn't matter to me if we -- oh, all right. well, then i guess we should separate it. well then let's do each one individually. beginning with -- unless -- commissioner borden: i i think we want to talk first. >> you want to continue talking before you m

commissioner antonini: and this is exactly -- this never came up. but the project sponsor has mentioned that this public open space, which is quite large and will be open to the public, is the indoor-outdoor concept. we had a good discussion about that. and it's very, very useful because you could open it up on days that are pleasant, you can close the glass and close and you still enter it but it's not completely open to the outside environment. and a lot of that is done with maybe -- did you have a comment on that? would you like to see that about the ground support treatment? commissioner moore: no. commissioner antonini: it's quite impressive. this is much larger than 101 second. that's a very welcoming space. anybody can go in there at any time. what this has is the ability to open the door, windows up on nice days so it's even more inviting. i think this is exactly what we've been looking for and that's a big part of the ground floor, if i'm not mistaken. so, maybe we can call the questions in order beginning with office allocation. >> on the

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: a couple of questions. i would assume that a lot of land use requests would be before us. if there are some that would not i certainly would like to see if we could have some sort of hearing to hear them because they sound fairly significant. >> all the items will be scheduled for you. the item that's in interim control, that does not come before the planning commission. but the ones related to affordable housing will. the only item that i do not want -- will not have before you is the items code. >> i think there was one that was administrative. >> that one hasn't been introduced yet. commissioner antonini: and the other item, and we'll be hearing this, there was something brought up about the frontages of residential properties. i'm not sure what that relates to. >> i've not seen that ordinance. commissioner antonini: i guess we'll see it when it comes. president miguel: commissioner olague. commissioner olague: at some point, we can introduce amendments as a commissioner. we can add a later date. but i w

commissioner antonini?ommissioner antonini: do we take into consideration the noise of the wind? because it looks like the quietest place is the top of twin peaks. >> i agree. >> i would like to move to approve. >> second. >> commissioners on the motion to approve -- roll call vote . >> thank you. >> commissioners are on item number 12, >> before you start, i have to ask for recusal. the company was actually under contract to tjpa to do some survey work. i think that counts even though this is coming from public works. >> move to recuse commissioner sugaya. [roll call vote] >> commissioner sugaya is recused. >> good evening, commissioners. planning department staff. before you this evening is a request for findings of conformity with the general plan for a package of proposed partial street vacations as well as the conveyance of that property to the powers authority. a general plan referal is required before any action on the public right of way or sale of public property. you're probably very familiar with

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: i remind the public that the comment time is open until august 10. if there are additional comments that you wish to submit in writing or if someone has not had the opportunity to come today, please get that in by the 10th. as you know, the process will be comments and responses that will come forth, coupled with the eir, and that will make the final environmental impact report in the future. president miguel: that final document, the present draft eir plus the comments and responses document will be voted upon by this commission at that time. that time cannot be ascertained now because it would depend on the amount of time it takes for the staff to respond to all of the comments, oral and written, that were made today. so you'll have time to comment to us when this comes before us for final acceptance, as well as further on in the process, during the actual entitlement process for the project itself. we are not at the very beginning, we are somewhere midway in

commissioner antonini: i think i can agree with that. it's a little more complicated with the commercial, as you point out. even though it's voluntary in most instances, it's fine the way it's written. i certainly appreciate his point on that. the rest of it i think is very well done and i agree that with allowing it not to count against your maximum because, you know, it may be that we wouldn't have car share spaces because project sponsor would say, well, we're fine with the ones we have and they're in use. if question add a couple of car share spaces we'll do that -- if we can add a couple of car share spaces we'll do that. >> if there's a car-free building that they should not trigger the car share requirement, that's something that should -- should be considered probably by the commission. for the commercial requirements they get triggered based on the number of parking spaces that are provided. but for residential buildings, they are triggered based upon the number of units. so, the commission might want to consider, if a building

commissioner antonini: same thing. i believe that was electronic documents was administrative code but i think that that's important if we hear that, too, as to its practicality. >> ok. and then the zoning administrator did want to relay a couple of pieces of information to you. the first concerns a demolition determination that was included in your pacts last week. and the second pertains to the board of appeals summary for this week. it has been the practice of the department to inform the commission when administrative approval for demolition has been granted, pursuant to code section 317. last week the department submitted a copy of an administrative approval for a proposed demolition at 580 diamond street. the department reviewed the soundness report for this property and found it to be unsound. the department also performed a historic resource evaluation response and found that the building was not a resource. the project proposes demolition of this structure and new construction of a two-unit building. the proje

president miguel: commissioner antonini? >> i would like to congratulate the mayor and compliment the board of supervise ors for the candlestick project. also in that vain i noticed some of you have seen on television this move by some billionaires to devest half of their income and i think that's a wonderful philanthropic thing and certainly there are many things as part of that plan that might involve significant amounts of private investments. historically much in san francisco much of what we have today have been the effort of philanthropic individuals. the new concourse, golden gate park, even the original keys stadium were all from individuals. so to that end it certainly would be something -- if someone's looking to put some money into something, i think this could become a reality. many parts of it, the park, the stadium the infrastructure, probably if we could involve some private individuals who feel so inclined. but i think it's a good move moving forward with this plan. >> i understand commissioner antonini would

commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: i would also agree with commissioner borden and president miguel. in fact, i can't ever remember that we have conditioned a restaurant on the type of food being served. in fact, i think that discussion may have come up once and we mentioned that it isn't within our power to say it has to be a greek restaurant but it can't be a chinese restaurant. it has to be indian but not italian. i don't think that's what we're really empowered to do. but what we can do and i think maybe we can talk about what the code and what is code compliant and we have already been told that assuming they get the proper permit from abc, it is beer and wine would be allowed in the full service. and probably are hours of operation that are allowed as a right. maybe staff could let us know what those are and what we're approving. >> rick crawford. commissioner, the hours of operation in the district by right are until 2:00 a.m. >> could be up to that time. so if there are commissioners who

president miguel: commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: i noticed the end of the comment time is the 16th, but i understand that has been extended? >> i think that is two different products. this is the policy document. we don't have a hard and fast deadline on the comment on the policy document. commissioner antonini: i think that be extended and it is support for a couple of reasons, which may come up and the other presentation, so maybe that is appropriate. i will make some general comments. i agree with one of the speakers tonight that sometimes the problem with vacancies is serious, and is one of the unintended consequences from some of our tenancy policies in san francisco. to what extent the housing element will address this is questionable, because there may be things they're not part of the housing element, but the one thing i think is very good with this document, and i have been through the earlier one and 2003, 2004, i think this document analyzes what is desirable verses maintenance of the status quo. an

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: just a couple of the things that came up and the other comments which i thought were good by the other commissioners. during the other housing element, one of the things i always asked to be looked at was the nature of the commuters into san francisco. i think if you look at the downtown business community and people who work there, you'll find a lot of middle-income families who might choose to live in san francisco if their housing needs could be met, either in terms of cost or the actual structure of the homes, which don't meet their needs. that would be a good thing to try to find out. about 50% of our work force comes from outside of san francisco. i agree with a regional approach. unfortunately, there are not too many teeth in the laws for the other areas to provide their fair share of affordable housing and multi unit housing, which they don't do, and a lot of times they're having commuters come to their businesses even more than they come to ours. in ter

commissioner antonini: i agree with you. i don't see -- there may be many, many, you know, clients from mr. gladstone's firm and there are many clients for your firm. so, i don't think there's a direct connection here. >> let alone, if i may mention this, you may be involved, your firm may be involved with certain clients and not even know mr. gladstone's involved. or other attorneys, land use attorneys that appear before us. suing sugg that's true. i'm only sensitive about it because of my reappointment. >> i was there. i understand your sensitivity. >> good evening, president miguel, and members of the commission. department staff. the project before you is a discussionary review filed on the new construction of one single family dwelling at 203 los palmos drive. this is parts of a larger project proposing construction of three new single family dweltings on an approximately 9,300 square foot property that will be subdivided into four new lots. each lot will be 25 feet in width. the fourth lot located on the corner of los

president miguel: commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: i would agree with commissioner moore and remind the public of course what we're looking at today is whether the adequacy of the e.i.r. however, i think there are some areas here i don't feel it's bad enough that the thing would have to be recirculated but i certainly see that, you know, the claims that things are less than significant is subjective to some degree but probably not accurate. and also, i think some of the traffic analysis probably might be understating in my opinion just because having a lot of experience with gyms and having kids and going to basketball games, you know, a lot of car -- a lot of traffic is involved and many of them have lots or have parking around them that is in different parts of the city where it's a little easier to find something. but in the denser areas of the city such as north beach in here or other places the impact is a lot greater. and it is a community center but it also services games against kids from all over the ci