joining me now, david wall, attorney and supporter of donald trump and jose antonio vargas, an immigration and author of "define america." it sounds like a further clarification of the trump camp saying, you know, if the president mentioned it off the top and then he didn't respond, there was technically no discussion of it. jose, does that fit? can they both be right about what was said or not said? >> well, i mean, i have to say, listening to all the rhetoric in the past few hours after the meeting, i mean, is this a reality tv show? like, is him being presidential going to mexico and actually not offending somebody, isn't that just being human? like, why is that all of a sudden just being presidential? >> jose, his critics said he can't do it, can't stay to message and avoid taking the bait. >> you know -- >> fair to give him credit for that? >> i have to say, well, i just have to say, as someone who's directly impacted by this issue as aen documented immigrant myself, he's about to speak in arizona. home to about 300,000 undocumented immigrants and many of whom with relatives of u.s. c