that is the big problem and when the pope stands against antraception, not even taking neutral or advocacyosition, that is the most immoral position on earth. he is able to make that change to start controlling human population and sexuality is where it starts. conception begins with two living things. host: let's let mary rice hasson respond. guest: in everything the pope has said, if you read his encyclical on the environment, he is clear we do not solve problems by getting rid of people. we do not eliminate poverty by getting rid of poor people. he takes on the idea that we are going to solve our problems with climate change with poverty, by getting rid of people, that is not the problem and that is not the solution. he is adamant about that. when he talks about the science he is saying -- he does say some of these things could change. he's working on what he believes is the operative consensus. the heart of his message is, we have a god, a creator, who built a natural order into things, the way the world works, and we need to respect that. that has to do with how we treat the earth and

that is the big problem and when the pope stands against antraception, not even taking neutral or advocacy position, that is the most immoral position on earth. he is able to make that change to start controlling human population and sexuality is where it starts. conception begins with two living things. host: let's let mary rice hasson respond. guest: in everything the pope has said, if you read his encyclical on the environment, he is clear we do not solve problems by getting rid of people. we do not eliminate poverty by getting rid of poor people. he takes on the idea that we are going to solve our problems with climate change with poverty, by getting rid of people, that is not the problem and that is not the solution. he is adamant about that. when he talks about the science he is saying -- he does say some of these things could change. he's working on what he believes is the operative consensus. the heart of his message is, we have a god, a creator, who built a natural order into things, the way the world works, and we need to respect that. that has to do with how we treat the earth a