with me around the table is bob miller, anupam damani, and george resnick.eorge, we started to see this, just on the margin in credit, where things used to have the initial talk and then tighten to execution and go to the market and rally above heart. we are not seeing that play out quite so much when these new issues come to market. why? george: the market is becoming a little bit more saturated with what is going on. you are seeing late cycle behavior, especially in credit, where you are seeing the idea of fundamentals waking up to that and ebr ratios. you are seeing triple c's outperforming. they've outperformed the last nine or 10 weeks. they have outperformed year-to-date. you are also seeing the idea of weaker covenants issuance, and unfortunately the market is starting to push back a little on the weakening fundamentals, and not able to digest it as well. jonathan: bob miller, is it the beginning of the end of the good times? i don't think it is the end by any means. but it is starting to feel like a gradual shift away from the pricing from year-to-ye