reason i find this story and maajid fascinating is that, you know, there are others out there like anwaral-awlaki who are radicalizing people by the dozens efshd over the internet. there is no anti-al-awlaki. there is no credible alternative. >> rose: a person articulating ideas. >> he is as close to anybody like that as we've seen so i wanted to push this conversation to a wider audience. >> rose: so tell me how you became who you are today. >> well, a crucial part of my history is the 13 years of my leadership of an organization. it forms the person who i am today. i can't disown my past. i'm taking measures to correct my own previous mistakes. but it's also crucial because i'm using many of what i term as the transferable skills that i learned at the helm of an islamist organization and co-founding that organization in countries and use those transferable skills to now organize young people in pakistan, for example, for democratic activism so they can advocate car the democratic values on the grass-roots and inoculate them against extremist narratives. >> rose: you want people to know

there needs to be a level of character assassination on people like anwar al-awlaki arrest here in the united states where he was found soliciting prostitution. that message needs to get out there. when we talk about the identity crisis there needs to reconcile being british and muslim or american and finally the ideology needs to be unpicked and democratic alternatives need to be presented. >> rose: so a young man comes to you and says look, i'm leaning this way, i'm leaning to a place where i find some identity and some recognition and i think some appreciation of where i am in this world. what is the central message that you arkansas tick late? >> there are two stages. first of all the bulk of our work is on prevention so it's the stop the young men joining. and, of course, we do do someñr work on intervention which is to get somebody to leave -- >> rose: but i'm positing someone who's there. i'm saying "i find some attraction for these reasons, civil rights violations, racism, unemployment." whatever. >> i'd let him speak and find out what is making ÷ young man or woman angry. then

disenchanted and a little bit angry and then turned to the internet and became radicalized by futures like anwarawlaki. he became convinced that like the russians before us that we in the united states have become occupiers and invaders in afghanistan and he and two friends decided they were going to go and fight with the taliban. we are going to fight with the taliban and so what did they do? they bought plane tickets to pakistan and figured if we can get across the border may be we can hook up with the taliban. one of his co-conspirators -- these guys have delusions of grandeur. we will be general so they make it to the frontier of northwest pakistan and they just sort of stumble their way around looking for the taliban. but who finds them but al qaeda and they are passed through this network of secret little operations in pakistan and our book shows how these guys stumble into the clutches of al qaeda and end up getting trained for a suicide mission by one of osama bin laden's top deputies. they are trained and they are activated. there taught to make an extremely devastating bomb and returne

he is anwar veteran, his life was saved by an interpreter who was hiding after his approved visa got caught up in by red tape. he's the national security project and c o-founded the assistance project. it helps provide safe passage for iraq refugees. i want to start with you, i know that you worked as an interpreter for four years, you applied for the special visa last year. why is it so important for you to get the visa and move to the u.s.? >> well, first of all, of course, we don't believe that we have a future here in iraq. we have to start over elsewhere. we work so hard with american forces. we provided the proper translation in the field and as you just mentioned that we are considered traders in iraq. we can't go and announce in our previous work with the american forces because this will put our -- it will put us in jeopardy along with our families families. as you all might know, the phegs acomplex, my face won't be blurred right now. >> many of your friends do not even know that you did this job and i know you were out in the field. you were in dangerous situations. so you

in the boston marathon bombing the fbi said much of the bomber's inspiration came from anwar al awlakiessage is spread across youtube in dozens of videos. >> to the american people i say your security will continue to be threatened as long as your government continues with its aggression against the muslim people. >> i think al awlaki realized he could gather up chinks of people. >> he says 12 years after the september 11th attacks governments have failed to create a counternarrative that is as power to young disaffected youth as the messages of anwar al awlaki or oh so madieu he said he was taken in by a narrative that was built from what he called cleverly arranged half truths. >> to add them up and conclude there is a global war against islam is what leads to the young radical reaching a state where his or her heart is completely hardened and closed off to anyone other than muslim operatives. >> and that he says becomes the justification for this. >> something just blew snup in his new book "radical," he charts his own path from radi l radicalization to rejection. >> since then i've

anwar. diane von furstenberg. good morning. great to have you here. 40 years. that's timeness. >> i think it has never happened to a dress before. it has lived generation after generation and it's always young girls who embrace it at the beginning of your life. as a matter of fact whenever i go, people have stories. oh, i met my first boyfriend, i went on that. so tonight at 8:00 i'm launching something called dvf rap story taum and you can go there from tonight on on and send your picture with a story, this is what happened to me and you will be par of the wall of fame and in the books. >> you said the success of that dress taught me everything i know about design. what did you mean? >> well i mean, you know that drn -- i knew the kind wonger woman i wanted to be. that dress alaud me to be who they wanted to be. so it's been a wonderful thing. >> do you like diane or dianing. >> michelle. i can't thing of a coolen time. when you look in the mirror what do you see how how do foul foy feel? >

program have come into light like the fact that back in two thousand and eleven american citizens anwar a lock into. sun. and some near khan were killed by a cia led drone strike in the span of two weeks in yemen but what legal justification did the us government have to kill these americans without a trial or some other form of due process while this is a question that the justice and defense departments are going to court to avoid answering today the american civil liberties union and the new york times are in an appeals court to fight for their freedom of information act requests to be answered about these drone strikes the government argued successfully in federal court that the justification and the program itself was secret jaffer the deputy legal director for the a.c.l.u. who is arguing in effect kills court today said quote for several years now senior officials have publicly claimed that the targeted killing program is affected effective lawful and closely supervised if they can make these claims to the public there is no reason why they should not be required to respond to the

in the boston marathon bombing the fbi said much of the bomber's inspiration came from anwar al awlakis of videos. >> to the american people i say your security will continue to be threatened as long as your government continues with its aggression against the muslim people. >> i think al awlaki realized he could gather up chinks of people. >> he says 12 years after the september 11th attacks governments have failed to create a counternarrative that is as power to young disaffected youth as the messages of anwar al awlaki or oh so madieu he said he was taken in by a narrative that was built from what he called cleverly arranged half truths. >> to add them up and conclude there is a global war against islam is what leads to the young radical reaching a state where his or her heart is completely hardened and closed off to anyone other than muslim operatives. >> and that he says becomes the justification for this. >> something just blew snup in his new book "radical," he charts his own path from radi l radicalization to rejection. >> since then i've visited ground zero and spoken at the m

became a little bit angry, then turned to the internet and became a radicalized by preachers like anwaral-awlaki. what happened was he became convinced that lake the russians before i submit the united states have become occupiers innovators in afghanistan he and two friends decided they were going to go and fight with the taliban. they said were going to go fight with the taliban. so what do they do? they brought plane tickets to pakistan to figure we can get across the border, maybe we can hook up with the taliban. one of the co-conspirators -- we are going to be taliban generals. they make it to the frontier of northern pakistan and they just sort of stumbled their way down and turned around looking for the taliban. who finds them that al qaeda and their tax through this network of secret little operations in pakistan and our book shows how these guys stumble into the clutches of al qaeda and end up getting trained for a suicide mission by one of osama bin laden's top deputies and they are trained. they are activated. they are taught to make an extremely devastating bomb and a return

i make no apology for the fact that we targeted anwar al- awlaki. he was targeting us.unfortunately, far too often, we do not make it clear why we are doing this. i understand the need for secrecy. we do not have to reveal all of it. whenever we do a targeted strike, whether it is a drone or sending in special operations, we need to at least briefly explain why. i realize that some of these strikes are on the title 50 side, they are secret. we can reveal what we want to reveal. we do have to reveal enough to say this is why we hit this person. it was clearly self-defense. i also think it is good at the president is moving us towards getting more into the dod title 10 side. also -- guantanamo is a big part of this. there is no reason we cannot close that prison. it would be a step in the right direction. the third thing is something that we have done, we need to do it more broadly -- build partner capacity. instead of the u.s. showing up and firing the shots, let's work with local allies to stop an insurgency before it gets started. number two, make sure it is the local

i make no apologies for the fact we targeted anwar awlaki. he was targeting us.hat is the classic definition of self-defense. unfortunately too often we don't make it clear why we're doing this. i understand the need for second decrees si. but we -- secrecy. we don't have to reveal all, but it's my permanent opinion that whenever we do a targeted strike, whether it's a drone, whether it's sending in a special operations team, whatever it is, we need to at least briefly explain why. now, realize some of these strucks on the title 50 side so they're secret, but that's our decision. ... to hopefully number one stuff and insurgency before it gets started that number two make sure it is then local forces that are enforcing the law. we have done this effectively in the philippines. we have had a presence there for quite a while. they are battling insurgents of a variety of different stripes down there. it's by and large a factor of the recent uptick in the last couple of months but no u.s. person has never fired a shot. but we have been integral in the success and the

i make no apologies for the fact that we targeted anwar al-awlaki. he was targeting us. that is the classic definition of self-defense. we should make that case unapologetically. but unfortunately, far too often we don't make it clear why we're doing this. now, i understand the need for secrecy. but we -- and we don't have to reveal all of it. but it is my personal opinion whenever we to a targeted strike whether it's a drone, whether it's sending in a special operations team, whatever it is, we need to at least briefly explain why. now, i realize some of these strikes are on the title 50 side, so they're secret. but that's our decision. we can reveal what we want to reveal. we don't have to reveal it all, but we do have to reveal enough to say this is why we hit this person. and it was clearly self-defense. i also think it's good that the president is moving us towards getting us more into the title 10 side so there is transparency, and we also need to be more inclusive of of congress on a regular basis of letting them know what we're getting into and why. guantanamo's

they show context between him and the american born cleric, anwar al alooki. >> when he starts to work closer with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. >> reporter: kenyan officials are looking at a nor weekan krit. the citizen is believed to have ties to him. another indicator of his possible involvement in what happened at the westgate mall. >>> in our third story outfront, two killers on the loose still in florida. they were released from prison by mistake? authorities are still looking for charles walker and joseph jenkins who were supposed to be serving life sentences for murder. because of forged signatures from a judge, both men were accidentally released. of course, the forged signatures makes you wonder who knew what and who was involved. but florida officials are combing through paperwork to be sure that other inmates haven't done the same thing. that's a pretty terrifying thought. john is "outfront." he's been covering the story. the first question is you have a huge manhunt going on. do they have any idea where these two men are. >> reporter: no thergs really don't. they can

has been associated with osama bin laden, who has been associated with the current head of al qaeda, anwarac can i, someone who is charged with participated and being involved in the tanzania bombing at the embassies that killed 224 people including 12 americans, someone who's been described as a potential treasure-trove of information about the activities of al qaeda, their plans and the information we have that's been released publicly is he's someone that an way al awlaki may have sent to libya to try to make sure they have the al qaeda network in libya. let's not forget what happened on september 11, a year ago in libya where our ambassador and three brave americans were murdered. does mr. al libi know anything about that? we will never know full what i mr. al-libi knows because after a week -- a week -- on the ship where our intelligence officials were given an opportunity to speak to him, he was transferred to federal district court and today in federal district court he pled not guilty to the bombings, the 1998 bombings at the embassy. he was given a lawyer, and we know when these t

but he's story in himself, a former captain in the egyptian army part of the unit that assassinated anwar sadat, came to the united states managed miraculously to join the u.s. army, got the rank of sergeant, was assigned to jfk's special warfare school at ft. bragg. he taught u.s. special forces, the same people ho who captured al libi arabic language skill, islamic culture courses. all that time he was a double agent for al qaeda. the thing that makes him critical in this case is back in 1993 through 1997 al libi was part of the planning process with ali mohammed to blow up those embassies. there's a direct witness who can sit there and say i talked to him, we did the surveillance we planned these bombings. >> i assume they like the idea that the united states is saying we will track you down no matter how long it's been. >> and they have done that in this case. they have literally gone to the four corners of the globe to find people from east africa south africa libya, egypt, you name it. they've been there. >> thanks john. >>> two days of nuclear talks between iran the united states a

i make no apology for the fact that we targeted anwar al-awlaki . he was targeting us. unfortunately, far too often, we do not make it clear why we are doing this. i understand the need for secrecy. we do not have to reveal all of it. whenever we do a targeted whether it is a drone or sending in special operations, we need to at least briefly explain why. i realize that some of these strikes are on the title 50 side, they are secret. we can reveal what we want to reveal. enough to to reveal say this is why we hit this person. it was clearly self-defense. i also think it is good at the president is moving us towards into the deity title x side, so there is 10ater -- the dod title side. also -- guantanamo is a big part of this. cannots no reason we close that prison. it would be a step in the right direction. the third thing is something that we have done, we need to do it more broadly -- build partner capacity. instead of the u.s. showing up in firing the shots, let's work with local allies to stop an insurgency before it gets started. number two, make sure it is then lo

. >> you expressed your belief as the killing of anwar al-awlaki was justified. how about the drone attack on his teenage son who was also an american citizen? >> i'm not familiar with the specifics of that is a fine example of why we need to be transparent and explaining the reasons for our attacks. if an attack happens we have to be at least a one justification and even in the case. the event released the justification. the have alluded to it in some of the speeches given. i don't have any bite -- doubt there are drawn strikes that were mistakenly made. they're actually wasn't, you know, and for whatever reason they misread the target and what they were doing. they didn't know what they were dealing with. so why don't have an answer for that and i don't know the specifics about the attack. we get regularly briefed. i apologize to the top of my head i don't remember the details of the different tax but i have at one time or another been briefed that is a bit of a misconception. there is oversight in a sense. they have access to information. part of my probl