nasser al-awlaki is the father of the muslim cleric anwar al- awlaki, a u.s. izen born in las cruces, new mexico, and killed by u.s. drone in yemen september 30, 2011. two weeks later, his 16-year-old son, abdulrahman al-awlaki, was also killed by a u.s. drone while having dinner with his cousins. abdulrahman al-awlaki was born in denver, colorado. his story was told by his grandfather in the new film, "dirty wars: the world is a battlefield." it opens today. this is a clip of nasser al- awlaki in interviewed by the investigative journalist jeremy scahill. >> he said he was going to look for his cousins. he left from the kitchen window and took a bus. killed, hisher was grandmother told him there is no use for you to stay any more. he said, yes, i will come back in two weeks. on the morning of october 15, we got the telephone call and they told us he was blown to pieces by the drone. his relatives, his cousin knew his head from the back and he recognized it and new abdulrahman al-awlaki really was dead. they could not recognize his face or anything else. >> tha

. -- anwar al-awlaki, right? >> yes. >> rose: tell us why it became personal. >> i don't know exactly. to remind people, al-awlakiing with was this -- he was born in american in las cruces, new mexico. he was a very popular prewhich you are after 9/11 in false church, virginia. condemned the 9/11 attacked and was a media figure. he had been on pbs and npr and he was a guy who i think was radicalized by american foreign policy and ended up basically declaring himself in a jihad against the united states and we remember seeing him on the youtube videos. for me i'm willing to concede for the ache of argument that everything president obama and his advisors have leaked about him or now there's been some public acknowledgment is true that he directed the underwear bomb plot on christmas day. for me the question becomes how do we become as a society respond to the most reprehensible of our citizens? in the case of anwar al-awlaki, they were tracking him for two years. his extradition was never demanded because how do yo

how do you miss a guy on anwar al-awlaki's web page? >> they didn't miss him because intelligence collection is only as good as what you do with it. the reason this happened h the guy was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen, that's what his colleagues said after the hearing. that is the name of a report by senator collins and lieberman called ticking time bomb. three things happened here, we had the intelw he was communicating with anwar al-awlaki but political correctness, human error and analytical error take to our not taking proactive steps to get him. bill: they knew his record in the army, it wasn't good, cully. >> not only was it not good. this was an officer in the military who was saying very disturbing things, his fitness reports dumb that down, number one, number two this is a guy who is e-mailing with anwar al-awlaki, no officers i know email with tere rigses. bill: isn't that a red flag? i mean this is what the program is set up to do, right? i mean robert mueller was testifying yesterday saying had we had the system in 2

decision to put anwar al alaki on a kill list.event in america's seemingly endless war. joining me now, jeremy scahill. >> great to be with you. >> let's talk about jsoc. this force, i will read an excerpt from the "washington post" series, "top secret america" which touches on this top secret community. dana priest writes, the two presidents have asked jsoc to mount intelligence-gathering missions and lethal raids mostly in iraq and afghanistan, but also in countries with which the united states was not at war, including yemen, pakistan, the it has its own intelligence division, drones, reconnaissance planes, even dedicated satellites, in combat, they wear no name or rank i'd fires. >> when president obama first came into office, he campaigned on a pledge to end the war in iraq and to try to roll back the way that bush and cheney had prosecuted the war on terror. early in his administration he was briefed on the capacity that jsoc had. what ended up happening is that jsoc became the counterterrorism policy, not just the implement

it weighs on american citizens, anwar al-awlaki -- okay technically american citizens like chechnyansere american citizens. >> judge jeanine: i'm worried about a barbecue at my house. do i have to worry a drone. is a drone legal? >> it has to be court approval. we know that you can't have gps technology following a car without car approval. we can't have planes used infrared looking at houses for marijuana growing without court approval and we can't have dogs up to house without a court order there needs to be court order. >> judge jeanine: reasonable expectation of privacy. there needs to be probable cause? >> any place someone can see you, the drone can look at also. >> what about the drone but i'm not sure what they do. do they follow us around. do they see through the roof and do they see through windows? it's like you might be able to have some kind of x-ray or sensing equipment. >> it would have been useful when they were chasing the marathon bombers. you can only have so many police. the police helicopters could follow the cars and drone can follow a car. >> judge jeanine: but

indication the fort hood shooting, mueller said the fbi new the shooter has been in communication with anwar al awlaki but at the time al awlaki was proselytizer. in the case of the boston bombing he admitted the fbi was alerted by the russians of the tsarnaev brothers. he said there was nothing that constrained their investigation but he didn't think we could have stopped that particular attack. >> shepard: doug, good to see you. a rough day. man a, rough day for 401(k)'s and iras. you see where it happened. a big report down triple digits. it had been flat until the federal reserve announcement. ben bernanke spoke to the press less than an hour ago. investors were word about scaling back the economic stimulus program but it didn't. investigators didn't seem to like that. rich edison has this new. we were in a meeting and i got an alert from fox the fed made this move. oh, stocks are going up. nothing. >> it's in a perverse area where there was some good economic news and people say that's the early signal that maybe they'll dial it back but despite speculation, the federal reserve might dial

that indictment, tom, and i noticed all the stuff that he downloaded from those jihadi websites of anwar alnications, they clearly didn't monitor those communications. you download how to build a bomb, you download all that other stuff, but obviously, i guess people weren't paying attention. >> a lot of material. >> nsa. >> a lot of material, no question about that. >> all right, tom. thank you for that report. >>> more companies, meanwhile are dumping their association with celebrity chef paula deen, but coming up, there are new details about how she is now fighting back. >>> also coming up, texas governor rick perry, he takes on the lawmaker whose filibuster stopped, at least for now, new restrictions on abortions in texas. [ female announcer ] love. it's the most powerful thing on the planet. love holds us in the beginning. comforts us as we grow old. love is the reason you care. for all the things in your life... that make life worth living. ♪ ♪ sweet love of mine if you have high cholesterol, here's some information that may be worth looking into. in a clinical trial versus lipitor, cr

something has gone awry when we refer to american citizen, anwar al aulaqi -- no wait a minute. when we say american citizen we have something different. it's legal and illegal immigration. if this goes through it's over because you have at least 11 illegal immigrants now, just assuming they are right, it could be 20 million. through our legal immigration system they are allowed to bring in brothers in law, cousins, third cousins and that will very quickly mushroom to 30, 40 million hispanic voters and democratic voters. >> a lot of stuff in this bill as we pointed out in the last segment. ann coulter, good to see you. coming up next we'll examine why the international community is laughing at america and the obama administration's request to arrest edward snowden. is this a direct result of what four plus years of failed foreign policy? also tonight you get to select the video of the day. the winner will run in its entirety at the end of the show. take a sneak peek. this is option number two. i kind of like this one. >> and for our area -- so let's -- oh, my gosh. that was cree

anwar al-awlaki. the muslim brotherhood, as far as purging, training materials in this country. i don't see where this nsa surveillance is keeping us safe. >> what about the contractors? we talk about snowden, the man who admits to being the leak for nsa. he worked for bruce allen. he apparently has his fingerprints all over our government, whether it's the current head of dni clapper, the former dni -- he went to allen. he had a $2 million government with the contract, no-bid and cost the taxpayers, $70 million. two-thirds are owned by the carlyle group. they are spending a fortune. apparently, there is not much supervision. >> well, you know, one thing -- i did -- i actual, we went through a lot of scrutiny as a contract worker. i was the same as any member of the united states military overseas. we wore the uniform, we could not carry weapons. but some people are getting favoritism in a lot of defense contracts. he is a huge defense contractor. but they are looking the same. you can see goldman sachs all over the treasury department and our financial institutions. again, when

it brought it up in my mind when we found out that the pentagon hosted anwar al-awlaki at a lunch a coupleths after 9/11. of course, we now know he has inspired a multitude of different terrorist attacks, one including on our soil at fort hood. is this the same sort of thing? is this, does this fit into the same category about not really engaging, not really knowing who to engage, or is this about, you know, keep your friends close and your potential enemies closer? >> well, let's just be very clear about this. al-awlaki was an al-qaeda cleric. bin buy ya is not that, but he has associations that raise eyebrows and raise questions. and so, you know, i wouldn't put him on the same level as awlaki, but we need to vet people more carefully, especially if we're going to let people into the white house. if you're going to invite them into the center of american power, these people should be vetted properly, and if his associations include kardawi, i think that's a problem. jenna: the investigative progress on terrorism is the first group who flagged this, that he had this visit and talked about

jon: major ha tkal ha son another major point in touch with anwar al-awlaki the lad ka liced american cleric overseas, they exchanged emails. >> exactly it is not just terrorism we have to worry about. we saw a report saying thousands of private companies, like google, so many internet companies are in an information-sharing program with the nsa and the cia why they are exchanging classified and sensitive information back and forth. the question, jon here is, is this information strictly being used to track terrorists and suspected terrorists or is it being used for other purposes? rasmussen has a poll out saying a 57% of americans fear that this kind of information will be used for political abuse and targeting. jon: one of the questions too is okay the fisa court is supposed to supervise all of this as well as several mit keys in the congress. do they under the technical nature of the terms like metta data being batted around here. the fisa court has approved every single warrant that's it's been presented with. >> they have turned down very little. i'm not arguing that the national

fort hood shooting where we have with major hassan in a credible evidence including e-mails with anwar alawlaki talking about killing other service members. the fbi was aware of that and yet we failed to stop that terrorist attack. likewise with the boston bombing we had considerable evidence with the tsarnaev brothers with of their islamic views, their advocacy of those views. we had reports from russia that we failed to stop the attack. in your view why is it that law enforcement wasn't able to connect the dots with fort hood and boston and prevent those attacks before hand and what policies have changed under the obama administration concerning the investigation of radical islamic terrorists? >> in meter case with it before and hood or in the boston case there were policies that inhibited us from doing our job, i would tell you in the fort hood case, prior to the time of fort hood, al-aulaqi was seen as a proselytizer, a radical imam but wasn't known to have engaged in operational activities. consequently, we didn't look at the prism. have we done so other steps would have been taken.

area people say harm could come of it is where we start getting in the area of drone strikes and anwar al-year-old son being killed by a drone strike because he's associated with people and the intel that is getting them -- is that there is a group of these guys gathering and they have a history of you know, associated with terrorists and they're isolated right now. we can hit them with a strike if we want to. therefore using the tracking phone numbers and the like has led us to a target and what ended up happening was the 16-year-old boy got killed in this drone strike when he was not specifically -- he was not the one specifically target. he was present with these people. the idea that somehow association was the reasoning for the targeting. that i think is where you would say this kind of stuff is where it becomes dangerous. where the automatic tracking of these kind of things and the associative criminality saying okay, these guys are bad guys and they're talking to these guys so those guys on the phone must be bad guys, too. if the nsa is kind of -- is not vigilant to the highest ord

al-awlaki. anwar president obama said before the targeted killing of this u.s. citizen, and there are al- awlaki, they attempted to get him. these are the people on the ground. they said, why did you not ask us? they would have been to turn him over. we urge you to go to the phone. we ask you to stand up for independent media. al-ever you think of and/or awlaki, as jeremy pointed out, we have a system of law in this country. if the evidence was very strong, which it sounds like they had a lot of evidence we urge you to go to the phone. did you hear him say we would have handed him over? we urge you to go to the phone and let us know you are in the house. and the intuitive weeks later, anwar awlaki's son, a 16-year- old, born in denver, colorado, raised mainly by his grandfather, who you saw today, is killed in another drone strike. u.s. government, now after 600 days, has said, yes, they did the killing. why was he killed? robert gibbs laid it out, the former spokesperson for president obama. he said, well, the specific quote he said was raising the question of w

the best way to avoid that is to not help al qaeda. anwar was an citizen in yemen, any doubt in your mind that he was helping al qaeda? >> none, and we laid out exactly why he was a target, that he was an appropriate target. >> and there are other american citizens who have associated with al qaeda. one is a spokesman. >> that is correct. >> if we find him, kill him, or capture him, don't go to the court because it is the executive branch's job. finally, she asked a very good question -- would this administration used guantanamo bay in the future to house a law of war capture? >> i think the president has been clear it is not our intention to add any additional prisoners to guantanmo. >> agl cannot be a ship. under the geneva convention, that is not a viable option. so we are a nation without a jail. the reason we have the guy on the ship is we have no place to put him. this will catch up with us. this nation has lost the ability to gather intelligence because we don't have a prison that people -- we don't have a prison to put people. and la

anwar awlaki was talking to major hans. you remember that guy, major hasan, who killed 19 people at fort hood? he was corresponding with anwash awlaki, an american citizen al qaeda leader in yemen, through e-mail, and we missed that. so i would tell senator paul that i do respect civil liberties, we do have checks and balances, but i believe we're at war and it's a good thing to try to be finding out what terrorists are up to and who they're talking to. >> i don't want to be difficult about this, but you mentioned fort hood. we missed that. we also missed the boston marathon -- >> yes, we did. >> -- bombing. so senator, skeptics of this story, skeptics of the nsa are questioning, you know, clapper and the nsa are saying that it stopped dozens of terrorist attacks. and of course the second problem with that is clapper himself looks like he lied in front of a congressional committee. in other words, people just don't seem to -- let me say some people, many people don't seem to trust this story, senator graham. >> the major hasan and anwar awlaki was a communication through an e-mail conversation. and believe it or not, under this program, a known terrorist l