citizen actually who's ever been assassinated, if that's the word, having been on the kill list was anwar al alawkiarized online and convinced some susceptible, not very bright, perhaps, young muslims to convert. >> how did he do that? >> well, how does anybody do anything? there was a guy once who brainwashed an entire nation. if you can do that to a nation, you can certainly do it to a few stupid boys. that's what he did. so this story is about the success successor, because he's dead. he was killed, i think, two years ago by a drone in north yemen. this suggests a successor who also preaches online. it's not so much would it be possible, it's how do -- how does the american counterterrorist machine hunt down these terrorists one after the other. they've taken out just about the entire cream of al qaeda, the leadership, one after the other. they've been killed mainly by drones. of course, the biggest of all was a personal visit to osama bin laden. >> i've heard of him once or twice. part of the interest in a book like this, other than it bag great read, is the sort of fear and fascination with te