rules parliamentary procedure would be -- going at it legally without going and saying, pointing if anythingers at people which is something you really don't want to do. >> can i say as somebody for 10 years worked in the community and didn't is a plug in any neighborhood association or organization. especially in an area where we have a lot of low income housing where they don't organize neighborhood associations and their voices are not heard in the agendas that are being shaped for that neighborhood or that community. the key for me was really just engaging with the community and not really needing the by in of the city. or of the neighborhood associations. and being happy with saying, you know what this is an issue here and this is how we as this group plan to move about it and move on it. and working with the people that wanted to work with us. i think now at this point i'm into the formal names and having the organizations and the associations mainly because i have to be. but as a resident and as a parent and as a person that was living in the neighborhood, initially it became let's do th