if you have anzon ama account, you might use amazon points. these are really just to get you to buy more from the platform in question. the difference with liberty reserve was that this was a system designed to transfer money from one person to another. there is another system out there that has been getting a lot of publicity recently called bitcoin. with the indictment says about liberty reserve is that it was deliberately designed as a criminal system. a much more over money laundering machine. >> explain to us how such a criminal system managed to get away with this for such a long time. >> what is interesting is actually it did not go unnoticed for all that time. looking in the indictment, in 2009, it was noticed very much by the costa rican authorities. they went to it and told them to register as a money transfer system. according to the indictment, it applied to register and was then rejected because it did not have those money-laundering controls in place. in 2011, costa rica seized $20 million from an account from liberty reserve at