her mother sued aol because there was child pornography we put her son and her teenage sonn that aol was being marketed in aol chat room. she kept contacting aol and they wouldn't prevent it. that is a difficult case. it's not just like they were only defamation, easy defamation cases there were tough cases all the way in the early days. >> federal criminal law, doesn't and joy that immunity. >> she was in negligence. >> just wanted to clarify. >> changing technology over overtime. in the early days the 230, maybe you had manual processes entirely. nowadays a thing like child porn you can kind of automate so tracking,os and systems are in place we can know if there are porn files and you can review anything. there's a case in the circuit where aol found child porn and delivered it to a government act for those purses. ackerman. it's a very good opinion on his own. automatedwr review for things tt are self-evidently criminal, seizing an area where you might be able to hold platforms. hold them liable. retaking stocking or defamation, it's really hard for his person coming in for the f

the second case ever litigated was a case where a mother sued aol because there was child pornography with her teenage son in it that aol was being marketed in a chat room and she kept contacting them and they would not prevent it. that is a difficult case. it's not just like they were only defamation cases in the early stages. there were tough cases all the way from the early days of section 230. >> doesn't that fall outside of the section? but she was suing for negligence. >> i got you. >> the problem is the state of chasing -- changing technology. in the early days, you had manual processes entirely. nowadays a thing like child pornography you can kind of automate tracking, and those systems are in place where you can get files and who can review anything. there is a case where aol found child pornography and delivered to -- delivered at. , butpinion is very good automated review for things that are self-evidently criminal seems like an area where you might be able to feel the whole platform is liable. it's important because if you are taking defamation, it is really hard for a per

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everyone used aol e-mail you couldn't get away from it until gmail came along and everyone else. >> youake a powerful point about the fact that technology companies have a hard time preserving their wall, but all the examples you gave, those companies, it wasn't just that they were nibbled away by the market, but also by anti-trust regulators. >> no they weren't. >> that hurt ibm. >> give me an example one company that was lifted away by anti-trust. i'll even go back to standard oil. >> ibm and microsoft. i'll give you two. >> that was way before the government got involved. >> i'll give you a third, at&t was not nibbled away it was broken up. the issue here is that -- >> right but wireless when it came along. >> maybe they would have dominated wireless, we don't know. david: well microsoft by the way made a good comeback. they spent 21 years nibbling at microsoft and they are back as strong as they ever were before. well don't have a cow folks but one 2020 democrat is suggesting two very popular items are contributing to climate change. are you going to change your habits? more after t

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he sits on a variety of boards, and is the former vice president and former vice chair of aol. please identify yourself for the audience. >> -- is my real name. [applause] ted: when my father and his brother came to ellis island, they went to different processing lines. and my father came out lewis leonsis, and my brother came out stanley lewis. abbe: so the first question is just the obvious, as it alludes to the obvious. our company has the name shakespeare. we all know he was dramatically influenced by the greek tragedies. but as i've just shown in michael's production of "the oresteia," the greek plays themselves have lasting power. they have lasting relevancy. we're talking not just hundreds of years since the 16th century of shakespeare, but thousands. what is so compelling that people will come because it means something? ted: why do you assume shakespeare was a man? abbe: did i use a he? ted: you did. very off trend right now. the great thing about greek drama, greek tragedy is it set the architecture for everything we're about. not just democracy, but the way we commun

alluded to the technology world itself, how rapidly it changes, i remember government is concerned aol was getting too big for its britches. so things change. netscape, when government authorities were really reining that one in. microsoft trying to rein that one in. all of sudden new technologies emerge in the interim. those same companies that everyone feared are not the fearsome players they once were. some of them are out of business. >> it's true, neil. here is segment we have to do on another day. university of law school in chicago on antitrust and columbia university. right now a professor out of columbia university, wrote a book, elizabeth warrens bernie sanders, a lot of attorney generals are all over, the thesis there is evil in a company that gets too big by virtue of its size. in their opinion they don't necessarily have to be doing anything wrong, once you get to a certain size that is not good. that is a whole another discussion. it is at the core what is going on washington and big tech. neil: google is at that point. facebook is at that point. you could argue amazon is

democrats are saying it's aol ion hoifs oathbl impeac >> they thought it was exculpatory. see how they could thi that. the thing to do with th transcript is to look at the logic. trump says we have been generous to you, you haven't been jefferson to us,e have been more g, erous than othed that follows maybe youcan do us a favor and that favor is to look into the biden so the chain is we did thids for you, you owe us, here's wha can do for us. it's not explicit quid pro quoco bues close. >> are there shades of questions about what happened in that conversation, mark, or clear cut r you? >> it's clear cut, judy. what it puts at rest is the lie about the confidence of the trump campaign. we're leading in all polls where we're ahead. he was so terrified and ointimidate the preside the united states got on the e unphone with the leader of uke to get dirt on the one democrat who, in every major poll, was beating him, and that candidate's son. this shows the terror, the a intimidati the false bravado. --'s totally exposed. its think david wa more than kind. it is totally explicit

. >> it's the 21st century get on your aol account and buy. >> compuserve. whatever you have.etting the stock will raise higher on nike. let's get to mike khouw with all the options action hey, mike. >> the option markets is implying a move of about 5% when nike reports earnings. that is pretty much in line with what we would normally expect. we've seen moves of an average of 4% over the last eight quarters there was very heavy volume today. well over three times total options volume on average and saw most in the call side. calls outpace puts by 2-1 and where they were most active were the october 95 calls over 12,000 of those traded for an average price of about 40 cents. normally when we see this kind of activity we're seeing buyers of those calls and those would be bets that the stock is going to raise through that trike by at least a premium they paid but in this case they actually were sellers and i'm getting they were doing that against long stock positions so while this is still a bullish bet it is a much more modestly bullish one because you want stocks to run to your

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and i'd computer science at stanford and then worked in silicon valley for a couple of years called aol, in the old building. and i was a software engineer and worked on a lot of emerging technologies in 2005 - 2007 timeframe. i was looking for an opportunity to serve our country and work on policy at the government level and ended up leaving silicon valley to join the air force. so i spent the last 10 - 11 years in the air force as a pilot, i fly the c-17 which is a large cargo airplane. we fly all over the world including combat in afghanistan and iraq. fortunately this year i was given a very excellent opportunity to serve in the white house and the office of science and technology. my policy area borrows from both my tech experience and from my experience as a pilot in the air force. so i lead the advanced transportation portfolio which includes unmanned aircraft system, uis, automated vehicles, supersonics and the concept of urban and utility which is the future looking like? >> you a s is a pulse area that you described as being the furthest along so tell everybody what the white

. >> i started as a techie computer science at stanford i worked for aol in the old netscape buildingsoftware engineer with emerging technologies and the 2005 timeframe. and then to serve the country and then ended up leaving silicon valley to join the air force i spent the last ten or 11 years as a pilot flying the large cargo airplane all over the world in afghanistan and iraq. unfortunately this year i was given an excellent opportunity to serve in the white house the office of science and technology that comes from high-tech experience and as a pilot in the air force without advance portfolio with aircraft systems automated billing vehicles and then the future transportation what that looks like. >> that is the policy area that you describe as the furthest along so tell everybody what the white house is doing by way of talking about what drones will look like in the united states. >> to launch the drone industry it has been mind-boggling honestly. so around the 2016 timeframe regulators said how will we enable operations of these vehicles in the national airspace with traffic over

neil: i remember when aol controlled the on-line search world; right?ything. >> i'm a google girl. i can't remember -- neil: okay, google girl. you're a google lawyer. you think that something will happen and it will have the desired effect. >> well, especially because with the 2020 presidential election around the corner, everyone's sort of saying wait a inminute, brace yourself -- wait a minute, brace yourself. look at the end of the day, it is going to be the consumers are going to look. the shareholders who have tons of advertising dollars that goes to these megatech companies so money will ultimately rule. neil: we shall see. as you do rule. mercedes colwin, legal extraordinaire. >> we are staying on top of the back and forth between joe biden and the president of the united states. that's what we do. we stay on top of things. you are welcome, america. yeah! that's right. can you help with these? oh... um, we're more of the plan, ... . helping you to and through retirement. >> all right. another weekend and guess what? we've got another series of p

. >> i mean, the use of the antitrust -- whether you are talking about aol time warner, time wanner ate is this cloud of politicization hanging over a very apolitical economically-driven agency that is a big shift the way the white house has treated the justice department. >> thank you for being here. >> the automakers are also trader the u.s. auto makers that is not too spooked. getting a check on the major averages averages as we head to break. higher now, 77 points up on the dow. s&p up a quarter a percent under 2% from record highs on the s&p 500 right now. we'll be right back. johnson & johnson is a baby company. but we're also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you. >>> the bond market is doing something it has never done before and it could mean a change in the air. find out more upon tradingnation.cnbc z tradingnation.cnbc.com more "squawk on the street" is coming up. >>> certainl

then i worked in silicon valley for a couple years for a company called aol in the old netscape buildingsoftware engineer, worked on a lot of emerging technologies in the 2005, 2007 timeframe and was looking for an opportunity to serve our country, to work on policy at the government level. i ended up leaving silicon valley to join the air force. so i have spent the last 10, 11 years in the air force as a pilot. i fly a large cargo airplane. we fly all over the world including combat in afghanistan and iraq. and fortunately, this year i was given a very excellent opportunity to serve in the white house in the office of science exec policy. my policy area kinda borrows from both my tech experience and from my experience as a pilot in the air force. i lead our advanced transportation portfolio, which includes, unmanned aircraft systems uaf's, automated vehicles, supersonics, and then this concept of urban air mobility, which is really the future of transportation in large cities. >> great. uaf is the policy area that you described as being the furthest along. so, tell everybody what the wh

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